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    Michael Butler

    , contextfree` wrote

    Good luck to Julie, Jensen & co.  ... please follow through on what you started with Windows 8.

    Seconded. We've still got very talented people in charge at Windows. Believe in your vision. The only thing I'd ask you to change, is to be more open and follow the example of Scott Guthrie and his teams.

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    Bas

    It probably won't happen, but I hope Larson-Green gets the job permanently. I like her apparent influence on products and if she can indeed, as Ballmer put it, "effectively collaborate and drive a cross company agenda", that might help stop the whole internal competition thing going on right now. Of course, I have no idea if she's able to deliver stuff on time without too much trouble like Sinofsky was able to.

    Also, I'd just like to see a woman as the lead. The whole "it should be the person best suited for the job regardless of gender" argument is nonsensical. Of course it should be the person best suited for the job, but it would be preferrable if the best person was a woman. There's an embarrasing shortage of female rolemodels in this industry, so if one was to emerge, that would be a lot better than yet another male rolemodel.

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    wastingtime​withforums

    , Bas wrote

    Also, I'd just like to see a woman as the lead.

    Are you a horny teenager?

    , Bas wrote

    The whole "it should be the person best suited for the job regardless of gender" argument is nonsensical.

    Idiocy. So if someone would be "good", and another one "great", then the "good" one should get the job because of gender? I hope you aren't a CEO.

    , Bas wrote

    Of course it should be the person best suited for the job, but it would be preferrable if the best person was a woman.

    Look, if a woman IS the best person for the job (because of skill, not her uterus) then no problems from me! But if she isn't, then her womanhood means absolutely nothing. As simple as that.

    I am sure some idiots would spin my post as misogynstic, when it is in fact the complete opposite.

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    Bas

    Go away.

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    Maddus Mattus

    ICT is a men's world Bas,..

    You should come work at my current assignment in Amsterdam! It's for a huge fashion label! No shortage of women here Wink

     

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    spivonious

    , magicalclick wrote

    As for the Metro full screen not a good choice for many apps such as Skype, I hope they fix that on Win9. Honestly the foundation is already there. Metro can already do tall strip mode. All they need to do is simply put those Strip Metro in a none-resizable window frame and put it on the work space desktop, all done.

    How would that be different from today? Pin Skype to the side in "tall strip mode" and have the desktop as your main "app". Or do you mean doing that with multiple Metro apps?

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    BitFlipper

    , spivonious wrote

    *snip*

    How would that be different from today? Pin Skype to the side in "tall strip mode" and have the desktop as your main "app". Or do you mean doing that with multiple Metro apps?

    If you only use a few applications that is fine. If you have multiple monitors and use more applications at the same time, it is much better to have the ability to arrange the windows in whatever way works for you. Now we are forced into some bizarre pre-Windows 3 mode where windows can't overlap etc. IMO it is a step back. How is it possibly a step forward?

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    ZippyV

    , Maddus Mattus wrote

    ICT is a men's world Bas,..

    You should come work at my current assignment in Amsterdam! It's for a huge fashion label! No shortage of women here Wink

     

    We need urgent pictures of your 'workspace'.

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    kettch

    @BitFlipper: But it's also nice to have "lightweight" applications completely out of the way, not even on the task bar. I don't have any serious work that happens in Store Apps. Those are all stuff like my calendar, messaging, email, etc. None of those have anything to do with actual work. The real work is Visual Studio, Office and stuff like that.

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    contextfree`

    , kettch wrote

    @BitFlipper: But it's also nice to have "lightweight" applications completely out of the way, not even on the task bar. I don't have any serious work that happens in Store Apps. Those are all stuff like my calendar, messaging, email, etc. None of those have anything to do with actual work. The real work is Visual Studio, Office and stuff like that.

    yep (as well as not running in the background either).

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    BitFlipper

    @kettch: However the trend seems to be towards Metro style apps while real applications get relegated to the "legacy" desktop (although has MS ever used the word "legacy"?).

    I'm someone that *do* depend on real applications (and not web apps either) and just seeing how the desktop has been castrated in one version alone is worrisome. There was no reason to Metrofy the desktop itself at all, yet here were are with 2 decades of UI refinement out the window.

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    contextfree`

    , BitFlipper wrote

    @kettch: However the trend seems to be towards Metro style apps while real applications get relegated to the "legacy" desktop (although has MS ever used the word "legacy"?).

    No

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    kettch

    @BitFlipper: I think that Metro apps are about all that are needed by most users, so I don't they'll notice.

    I don't share the opinion that the desktop has been crippled, but YMMV. The way I use the Windows 8 desktop is unchanged from the way I was using Windows 7: Search for everything, pin lots of stuff to the task bar. Adding more applications within easy striking distance on the Start screen is just a bonus.

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    USArcher

    I'd like to see Larsen-Green interact and build rapport with the Windows community early on .. I think its important that we are not waiting 8-12 months for the next developer conference to hear from her.

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    tianlooo

     don't share the opinion that the desktop has been crippled, but YMMV. The way I use the Windows 8 desktop is unchanged http://www.northfaceforcheap.ca/ North Face Jackets For Women

    from the way I was using Windows 7: Search for everything, pin lots of stuff to the task bar. Adding more applications within easy striking distance on the Start screen is just a bonus.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , kettch wrote

    @BitFlipper: But it's also nice to have "lightweight" applications completely out of the way, not even on the task bar. I don't have any serious work that happens in Store Apps. Those are all stuff like my calendar, messaging, email, etc. None of those have anything to do with actual work. The real work is Visual Studio, Office and stuff like that.

    Except for the fact that the Windows Store App world is disconnected from the desktop aside from the clipboard. My daughter was home today working on homework in OneNote and wanted my help. She doesn't have Outlook installed on the desktop. It would have been great if she could have used the Share -> Email feature in OneNote to send me a link to the notebook but because Windows Store App Mail can't talk to the desktop and visa versa it's back to copy/paste. That goes for all of the explorer "Send To" stuff as well has the reverse: not having share charm support in the desktop world.

    If they don't extend the contracts from the Windows Store App world into the desktop in Windows 9 I'd say Bitflipper's assertions are correct; The desktop is legacy.

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    kettch

    @DeathByVisualStudio: OneNote (2013) on the desktop doesn't require an email client to share anything. I don't have any 2010 instances left, so I can't test how that works.

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    Maddus Mattus

    , ZippyV wrote

    *snip*

    We need urgent pictures of your 'workspace'.

    Not enough memory on phone to take picture of each pretty girl I see Wink

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