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    Bas

    @DeathByVisualStudio: the various charms not being available to destop applictions is one of the main problems I have with W8. I realise that it could be confusing with desktop application designs (how do you use the search charm when an application already has its own search functionality, like many desktop apps do but metro apps are discouraged to do?), but I've often found myself wanting to share stuff to desktop applications from a metro app or vice versa, and it's a shame we're unable to.

    The same thing, in my opinion, goes for syncing of settings and data, and live tiles. These are really great additions to Windows and I'd want to see them become available to all applications that run on Windows 8. We'll see what happens with Windows 9 or whatever is coming next with the rumored yearly release schedule.

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    Dr Herbie

    @Bas: Of course, people are already coming out with solutions to this problem ...

    Herbie

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , kettch wrote

    @DeathByVisualStudio: OneNote (2013) on the desktop doesn't require an email client to share anything. I don't have any 2010 instances left, so I can't test how that works.

    That's a big improvement on OneNote sharing. 2010 is still dependent on a MAPI client. I hope they do the same thing for Word, Excel, etc. in 2013. It still would be nice however for Microsoft to merge any "sending/sharing" functionally so it's the same workflow across the desktop and Windows Store App space.

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    @Bas: Of course, people are already coming out with solutions to this problem ...

    Herbie

    It's a super clipboard. Great start but not quite the one step approach of the share charm or "send to". BTW looking at the project's issue list it looks like they have a long way to go; doesn't support OneNote or Outlook as sources.

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    kettch

    @DeathByVisualStudio: The difference is that now the Office applications send the documents to SkyDrive, which takes care of sending out the notifications.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    @kettch: Just thinking out loud... What about junk mail issues? Let's say my Windows Store App Mail account (corporate Exchange server) is whitelisted by the party(s) I'm sending the share notice to. If SkyDrive is sending it on my behalf it will look like it's coming from Outlook.com wouldn't it? While I like the removal of the dependency on desktop Outlook it looks like it can create another problem with the notice going to junk mail.

    All-in-all the duality of W8 makes me cross-eyed sometimes. Maybe with Sinofsky gone there will be some flexibility here in the future.

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    wastingtime​withforums

    , DeathBy​VisualStudio wrote

    All-in-all the duality of W8 makes me cross-eyed sometimes. Maybe with Sinofsky gone there will be some flexibility here in the future.

    "Duality"? How about Frankenstein?

    I must admit I miss some of your healthy rage from some months ago. Has the Windows 8 use decreased your coffee consumption?

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    kettch

    @DeathByVisualStudio: The share invitation comes from the Microsoft Account that Office is associated with.

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    magicalclick

    , spivonious wrote

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    How would that be different from today? Pin Skype to the side in "tall strip mode" and have the desktop as your main "app". Or do you mean doing that with multiple Metro apps?

    That is whole lot of difference.

    1. It is hosted inside the desktop.
    2. It is hosted inside the desktop, so, you can see taskbar.
    3. It is hosted inside the desktop, so, you can switch apps without unhide whacky auto-hide bar(s).
    4. It is hosted inside the desktop, so your desktop is still the same resolution instead of shrink or cropped (whatever artifact you get from having smaller desktop in Metro Split).
    5. It is hosted inside the desktop, so you can move the Window Frame that hosts the Metro App in Strip Mode.
    6. It is hosted inside the desktop, so you can have multiple Apps running in Strip Mode.
    7. It is hosted inside the desktop, so you can rearrange all those Metro Apps in Strip Mode, aka, overlap, non-overlap, partially overlap, place anywhere you like.
    8. It is hosted inside the desktop, so Desktop lover can stay in desktop while still able to enjoy Metro App in the same Visible Taskbar way.
    9. It is hosted inside the desktop, look at another new thread about time. That's just one small reason why people love Taskbar when still want to have that as a choice.
    10. It is hosted inside the desktop, doesn't mean it will break Metro experience.
    11. It is hosted inside the desktop, so we can enjoy the same multi-tasking experience since Win95.
    12. It is hosted inside the desktop, so, we can use Metro Skype in desktop instead of installing another desktop version (which I have been recommend to stay away from Metro version by fellow C9 members).

    And just a reminder, hosting Metro in desktop doesn't mean the aspect ratio is changed. You only have the Full Screen version be a little bit smaller for taskbar.  And with Metro Strip mode. Doing this does not change Metro App development at all, but, makes Metro App to much desktop friendly and so much more versatile.

    And another reminder, this can be done already. StartDock already hosted StarMenu in desktop.

     

     

     

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    kettch

    @magicalclick: If you can't use Store apps for what you want to do, then don't use Store apps. It's not difficult.

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    spivonious

    , magicalclick wrote

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    And another reminder, this can be done already. StartDock already hosted StarMenu in desktop. 

    And this is why it makes no sense for MS to do it. The tiny minority complaining about things will just get StartDock. The rest of us will move on and accept the change.

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    elmer

    , spivonious wrote

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    The rest of us will move on and accept the change.

    You mean... Compromise.

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    cbae

    , elmer wrote

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    You mean... Compromise.

    In life, what isn't a compromise?

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    elmer

    , cbae wrote

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    In life, what isn't a compromise?

    According to Sinofsky: Not Windows-8

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , elmer wrote

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    According to Sinofsky: Not Windows-8

    And is probably part of the reason why he's gonzo -- no Compromising his vision for Windows 8 and for the rest of the company.

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    Bass

    It's plausible.

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    magicalclick
    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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