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Sinofsky: The more crapware, the better

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    Craig_​Matthews

    WMC suffers from a myriad of problems. MS decided to make it available to OEMs who make computers, so what did we get at first? Media Center PCs the shape, size, and weight of a regular PC, just with an IR port on the front that you're supposed to stick next to your TV. More "set top" like cases, which are appropriate for an OS used to control TV programming, were pretty much piano black desktop PC cases which are just barely above "hobbyist" by simply having a brand label attached.

    And don't bother trying to DVR anything that you'd actually want to watch. Despite all of the apologists for PC-made-into-DVR concepts, there is nothing on OTA that I want to record, and the unencrypted side of my FIOS TV is community affairs only. I need a set top box from Verizon for that ... unless I want to do stupid, super-hack, jury rigged crap like taping a remote control to the ceiling and pointing it at the PC next to the TV. Really, what's the point of the beautiful on screen TV Guide and timed DVR capability when it's all rendered useless since the only channel that works on that guide is "Video In" since I need a box from Verizon to get anything actually interesting.

    "Get a cable card," you say. Sure. Many cablecard compatible tuner cards available? When did the 1 or 2 available come out? Last year? And now I'm hearing stir that "CableCard is dead!"

    What Microsoft should have done with WMC was partnered with Scientific Atlanta and Motorola and gotten WMC on every Comcast, Time Warner, and Verizon set top box in America ('cause whatever they use now sucks). Not give it to freaking HP, Dell, and Acer.

    As for DVDs - I use a DVD player. But seriously, people watch DVDs on airplanes, in waiting rooms, and even at their desk at work on their notebook. That's a big reason people buy Windows 7 notebooks and Mac Airs. While one can use VLC or whatever (which I do on my Asus netbook), there still will be a ton of people who just buy a freakin' Mac book next time they're in the market if a Windows notebook can't play a DVD or BlueRay out of the box.

    And yes -- OEMs have bundled the DVD and/or BlueRay codecs before -- most of the time they're trials and the OEMs, as I recall, never had anything noticable on their website that said "Video playback extra" near the price next to computer described as having a DVD player - in other words, the OEMs will screw people again.

    edit: spelling.

     

     

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    GoddersUK

    It's posts like this that make me glad that just about everything worth watching over here is free to air and we don't have to deal with monopolistic cable companies Smiley 

    EDIT: Although, except when I'm at my parents, I only ever use TV on demand services anyway. Which are also free Smiley

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    PaoloM

    , Craig_Matthews wrote

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    But seriously, people watch DVDs on airplanes, in waiting rooms, and even at their desk at work on their notebook. That's a big reason people buy Windows 7 notebooks and Mac Airs....

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    While one can use VLC or whatever (which I do on my Asus netbook), there still will be a ton of people who just buy a freakin' Mac book next time they're in the market if a Windows notebook can't play a DVD or BlueRay out of the box.

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    evildictait​or

    , wastingtimewithforums wrote

    what if you want to do a clean upgrade from Win 7 to Win 8 and the PC maker didn't deliver any DVD playback software, since the codec was already available in Win 7.

    Anyone who is capable of installing a fresh install of Win8 from the disk, is capable of searching for "DVD software" on Google and clicking to download and run VLC.

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    cbae

    , PaoloM wrote

    *snip*

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    *snip*

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    Certainly a head-scratcher.

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    AndyC

    , GoddersUK wrote

    It's posts like this that make me glad that just about everything worth watching over here is free to air and we don't have to deal with monopolistic cable companies Smiley 

    Huh? Pretty much all TV in this country is either Sky or Virgin Cable, neither of which is WMC compatible. If you only want the BBC, you might just as well use iPlayer.

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    GoddersUK

    Key words:

    "Everything worth watching"

    Give me Dr. Who and News24 and I'm a happy bunny Smiley

    I haven't noticed an increase in TV worth watching since going freeview and don't notice (much) of an increase when visiting houses with VM or Sky. Sure, there's the occasional show but the price of a Sky subscription is much greater than the cost of just buying those on DVDs...

    While I do just use iPlayer WMC would be advantageous if you want to record/have a poor internet connection (or even an average one if you want HD)/are using a HTPC (I recall iPlayer used to have a 10 ft. UI available on the website, but I can't see it there anymore)/want the geek cred of having a less usual setup.

    ps., I love this video, from back in the days when Sky was repeatedly trying to shut the BBC down... thankfully I don't think they'll be trying any tricks in the near future Big Smile

     

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , GoddersUK wrote

    *snip*

    If your DVDs conform to the standard they should play on all DVD players/software, right?

    Yes they do but again this is for a computer based training app -- stressing on the word "computer". Smiley

    If we all believed in unicorns and fairies the world would be a better place.
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    Larry Osterman

    , Craig_Matthews wrote

    As for DVDs - I use a DVD player. But seriously, people watch DVDs on airplanes, in waiting rooms, and even at their desk at work on their notebook.  

    I don't know of anyone who watches DVDs from spinning media when they're on battery - most laptop batteries can't make two hours if they have to be constantly spinning.   Whenever I've seen people watching movies on their laptops, it's typically from ripped videos.

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    magicalclick

    , evildictaitor wrote

    *snip*

    Anyone who is capable of installing a fresh install of Win8 from the disk, is capable of searching for "DVD software" on Google and clicking to download and run VLC.

    Shiver to imagine my friend or my parents doing that while expecting me to fix that whatever they did several weeks ago. 

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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    GoddersUK

    VLC doesn't even come up on a search for "DVD Software" on Google. At the time of writing the number one result is:

    http://www.dvdvideosoft.com/

    Now I have no idea if the above software is actually any good, safe or even genuine but I think we all know installing random software found from a Google search is not the best thing one can do for the health of one's PC...

     

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , GoddersUK wrote

    *snip*

    Now I have no idea if the above software is actually any good, safe or even genuine but I think we all know installing random software found from a Google search is not the best thing one can do for the health of one's PC...

    But haven't you heard? Since the removal of plug-ins from Metro IE W8 is impervious to viruses and malware. Wink

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    vesuvius

    , GoddersUK wrote

    VLC doesn't even come up on a search for "DVD Software" on Google. At the time of writing the number one result is:

    http://www.dvdvideosoft.com/

    Now I have no idea if the above software is actually any good, safe or even genuine but I think we all know installing random software found from a Google search is not the best thing one can do for the health of one's PC...

     

    If you try searching for "free DVD player". That software is very good (I think we need a "works on my machine" smiley)

     

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    evildictait​or

    , DeathByVisualStudio wrote

    But haven't you heard? Since the removal of plug-ins from Metro IE W8 is impervious to viruses and malware.

    If you're stupid enough to download and run EXE files that you shouldn't trust, that's not IE's fault.

    Or would you prefer IE to prevent you from downloading EXE files as well?

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    @evildictaitor: The same should apply to plug-ins. I'm happy to be able to download both. Unfortunately Microsoft doesn't agree with me on plug-ins (a.k.a. ActiveX controls) in Metro IE.

    I figured you'd be more inclined to have Microsoft dis-allow downloading everything since any download puts a PC at risk for infection. Of course Microsoft would take the blame for a user's poor choices and the badmouthing of IE would continue. Oh the poor IE team; they can never win...

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    evildictait​or

    , DeathByVisualStudio wrote

    @evildictaitor: The same should apply to plug-ins. I'm happy to be able to download both. Unfortunately Microsoft doesn't agree with me on plug-ins (a.k.a. ActiveX controls) in Metro IE.

    I figured you'd be more inclined to have Microsoft dis-allow downloading everything since any download puts a PC at risk for infection. Of course Microsoft would take the blame for a user's poor choices and the badmouthing of IE would continue. Oh the poor IE team; they can never win...

    Metro IE doesn't have plugins. Get over it.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    @evildictaitor: Thanks for my latest W8 slogan -- "Windows 8 - Get Over It" That goes nicely with "Walls Without Windows". String 'em together and you get "Walls Without Windows -  Get Over It". I can see it now... They commission Jerry Seinfeld and Bill Gates to do another set of commercials; in one episode they could be seen trying to scale a brick wall. Just above the wall would a directional sign entitled "The Metro ->". Perfect.

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    PaoloM

    You really need to get over it.

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