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Sinofsky: The more crapware, the better

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    cbae

    I feel a song coming on:  Wink

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    Craig_​Matthews

    , cbae wrote

    *snip*

    Certainly a head-scratcher.

    I don't get it. Too many big words?

    Edit: Oh I see what I did. I meant Mac book pros. I don't own either -- the one with the drive on it is what I'm talking about.

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    PaoloM

    , Craig_Matthews wrote

    *snip*

    I don't get it. Too many big words?

    Edit: Oh I see what I did. I meant Mac book pros. I don't own either -- the one with the drive on it is what I'm talking about.

    Also, no Mac can play BluRay movies.

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    GoddersUK

    @PaoloM:

    BluRay isn't a ubiquitous format, at least not in the UK.

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    AndyC

    , GoddersUK wrote

    BluRay isn't a ubiquitous format, at least not in the UK.

    It really is. Maybe not amongst students or something....

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    GoddersUK

    Yes, it's probably just that us poor students can't afford the hardware Sad 

     

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    ScanIAm

    , Craig_Matthews wrote

    ..snip...

    "Get a cable card," you say. Sure. Many cablecard compatible tuner cards available? When did the 1 or 2 available come out? Last year? And now I'm hearing stir that "CableCard is dead!"

    ..snip..

    I've used the Ceton InfiniTV/WMC combo (using a cablecard) and used an XBox360 extender for over a year now.  It was a hassle to acquire but after 5 months (seriously) it was still worth it.

    If you know you want a HD-DVR, this is way better than anything else out there.

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    wastingtime​withforums

    , AndyC wrote

    *snip*

    They've announced pricing? Because I've seen nothing yet.

    In any case, it's the OEM's driving this, because they'd still end up having to pay licensing fees on devices that ship with DVD playback capabilities. Even for something like a tablet with no internal drive that pretty much nobody was ever going to try and watch a DVD on, which is daft.

    Heck, there are ATMs and those pub gaming machines in existence right now that have to have DVD playback licenses because they're built on Windows. If you don't see the absurdity in that, I'm not sure what else could ever persuade you.

    I see now that less SKUs isn't automatically better.. These problems could be solved by an OEM only x86 tablet edition of Win 8. I mean they have Windows RT already, RT x86 wouldn't overwhelm anybody.  There they could have cut all kinds of stuff useless for tablets, including DVD support.

    Instead they went the obvious route to bite the notebook/desktop customer in the a$$.

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    contextfree`

    I see now that less SKUs isn't automatically better.. These problems could be solved by an OEM only x86 tablet edition of Win 8. I mean they have Windows RT already, RT x86 wouldn't overwhem anybody.  There they could have cut all kinds of stuff useless for tablets, including DVD support.

    Instead they went the obvious route to bite the notebook/desktop customer in the a$$.

    Notebooks and desktops won't necessarily have optical drives either ...

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    wastingtime​withforums

    But most notebooks and laptops still have them. Removing the codecs in Win 10 could be okay, but today it's far too early.

    I don't get the strategy here, Win 8 will annoy more than enough people as it is already due to the interface, but nooo, they need to increase the blood pressure of users even more.

    And by the way, I wish people would stop coming up with the argument that "XP DO3SNT HAEV DVD CODES EITHER!1!1! LOL!" Boohoo, an eleven year old system had some missing features.. so that's an excuse?

    Convincing. By the way Win 95 didn't have a browser, so let's remove it from Win 8 while we're at it.

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    PaoloM

    , wastingtimewithforums wrote

    But most notebooks and laptops still have them. Removing the codecs in Win 10 could be okay, but today it's far too early.

    I don't get the strategy here, Win 8 will annoy more than enough people as it is already due to the interface, but nooo, they need to increase the blood pressure of users even more.

    And by the way, I wish people would stop coming up with the argument that "XP DO3SNT HAEV DVD CODES EITHER!1!1! LOL!" Boohoo, an eleven year old system had some missing features.. so that's an excuse?

    Convincing. By the way Win 95 didn't have a browser, so let's remove it from Win 8 while we're at it.

    Look, I bet you $100 that, come the fall, you will NOT be able to walk into BestBuy and buy a computer with Windows 8 and a DVD drive that will not have DVD playing capabilities.

    Easy as that. $100. Paypal or whatever.

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    wastingtime​withforums

    @PaoloM:

    3 minutes ago, PaoloM wrote

    *snip*

    Look, I bet you $100 that, come the fall, you will NOT be able to walk into BestBuy and buy a computer with Windows 8 and a DVD drive that will not have DVD playing capabilities.

    Eh, I don't dispute that at all.

    You need to re-read my first in this thread:

    http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Sinofsky-The-more-crapware-the-better/ad59aacb8f224121a114a048007aed25

    Wasn't it once Microsoft's goal to reduce the amount of pre-installed bloatware? And now you need again pre-installed crapola to play a DVD?

    I am pretty sure OEMs will load up their crapware to play DVDs.. but you know,THIS ISN'T AN IMPROVEMENT compared to Win7! What's really retarded is that WMP lost the ability to play DVDs even if the codecs are installed (just why?). So even "good" OEMs can't just load up the codecs, no they are basically forced to shovel a craplet player on the PC.

    Speaking about schizophrenic company messages:

    http://signature.microsoft.com/

    Many new PCs come filled with lots of trialware and sample software that slows your computer down—removing all that is a pain, so we do it for you! Every PC the Microsoft Store sells is put on a software diet and performance is tuned to run the best it can. We call this process Microsoft Signature.

     

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    wastingtime​withforums

    schizophrenic company messages II:

    http://signature.microsoft.com/video.aspx?vid=faa877c4-9fe0-4f9d-987a-bf49557d3a43

    Hear what the guy with the orange sweater is saying (20 seconds into the video).

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