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So much for Windows Phone development...

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    Sven Groot

    Since I recently got a Windows Phone 8 device, I figured I'd see what developing for it was like. Turns out, I can't even really try it out. My CPU is too old to support SLAT, which means the emulator doesn't work, and it looks like deployment to my actual phone is only possible if I cough up the $99 for a developer license, which I have no intention of doing since I don't really have any plans to sell anything in the store so there'd be no way to recoup that cost.

    Too bad, it would've been nice to tinker with. But if I can't side-load to my phone without paying, and I can't even debug at all (because the emulator doesn't work), there's no point to it. Unless I stick to WP7 apps, since that emulator does work. But that seems counterproductive at this point. Sad

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    PeterF

    99 or 599 for a new laptop... tempting...
    Don't be too upset, you can still tinker a lot with the WP7 emulator, and with the Async BCL RTM'ed recently you can even use async. One advice: use a portable class library for your business logic. With Weerplaza.nl I'm able to release WP7, WP8 and W8 versions of the app with 90% code sharing.

    BTW, wouldn't BizSpark be an option for you?

    Good luck,
    Peter

     

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    cbae

    @Sven Groot: I'm sure your new employer will subsidize that $99. Smiley

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    blowdart

    , cbae wrote

    @Sven Groot: I'm sure your new employer will subsidize that $99. Smiley

    And give you a laptop with SLAT enabled Tongue Out

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    davewill

    @blowdart: @cbae: Sure, but the point that barriers are still barriers is good.

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    wkempf

    Yeah, the emulator thing really upsets me, to be honest. Even lots of new devices don't have SLAT support.

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    vesuvius

     @jinx101: Android is now the most important operating system, which is why Facebook are now recommending it over an iPhone because it will allow them to create an immersive advertising experience for the billions of people that don't mind being spied on and fed adverts related to their interests.

    Windows phone is far less useful than Windows mobile ever was, financially Microsoft have to try and use the Apple model to maintain market dominance, but the market is clearly rejecting this, and frankly, I just don't see this ever happening.

    If you were to commission a software project with 10 developers, pay for 10 windows machines, 10 visual studio licences, 2 SQL license, then create a windows store app where they take 30% of the revenue, pretty much every software project will never be commissioned, which is what is happening at the moment.

    The are 60 000 apps here http://metrostorescanner.com/, and I am willing to bet you that there are no overnight millionaires, or is anyone really making any profit.

    Do the sums.

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    cbae

    , vesuvius wrote

    *snip*

    The are 60 000 apps here http://metrostorescanner.com/, and I am willing to bet you that there are no overnight millionaires, or is anyone really making any profit.

    *snip*

    I doubt there are overnight millionaires on any platform these days. Gone are the days of being able to put a day's worth of work into a fart app, publish it, and get 10K downloads a day.

    There was talk of Rovio, creators of Angry Birds, going public. That ain't happening any time soon.

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    vesuvius

    , cbae wrote

    *snip*

    There was talk of Rovio, creators of Angry Birds, going public. That ain't happening any time soon.

    Wiki

    Over 12 million copies of the game have been purchased from Apple's App Store

    With a combined 1.7 billion downloads across all platforms and including both regular and special editions,[4] the game has been called "one of the most mainstream games out right now"

    They learnt quickly that android was most profitable. These are not official links by any means, but must surely be the direction that Windows Phone needs to take to gain significant success.

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    Sven Groot

    @cbae: That will only really work after I actually start working there, which won't be for a while (stupid visa limitations). Wink

    Actually, I think my laptop could probably run the emulator (it has a Core i7). I'm just not too fond of developing on a 12" screen.

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    cbae

    @Sven Groot: No HDMI out on your notebook?

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    Sven Groot

    @cbae: It's got a DisplayPort, actually. But I don't fancy remodeling the desk so I can hook my laptop up to everything right now. Wink

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    ScanIAm

    , Sven Groot wrote

    @cbae: It's got a DisplayPort, actually. But I don't fancy remodeling the desk so I can hook my laptop up to everything right now. Wink

    RDP is your friend...

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    dahat

    One alternative is to use Server 2012 for your development platform.

    Why? Only the Windows 8 version of Hyper-V requires SLAT. Server 2012 doesn't (but will still take advantage of it if present), and at last check the Windows Phone 8 development tools don't care which SKU you are on, so long as you are running 8/2012.

    I was doing this at home until I finally built a new PC which had SLAT.

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    Proton2

    @jinx101: Its a time out thing. I have the subscription to load apps and one of my apps stopped working even though my subscription keeps getting renewed. Note the app was just a see if I can get some code compiled and installed onto my phone kind of apps.

     

    Sven : If you knew someone with the subscription, maybe they could unlock the phone for you as I think 3 phones can be unlocked per subscription. I will need to unlock a couple more phones for my beta testers soon.

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    JoshRoss

    If Microsoft was serious about having people develop apps for this Windows Phone platform, someone should just spend a boat load of money on app promos. Something that reads like this, would get my attention. "For the next 104 Weeks, the best new app gets a million dollars, best app of the month you ask? five million dollars!" -Josh

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    ZippyV

    , Sven Groot wrote

    Too bad, it would've been nice to tinker with. But if I can't side-load to my phone without paying, and I can't even debug at all (because the emulator doesn't work), there's no point to it. Unless I stick to WP7 apps, since that emulator does work. But that seems counterproductive at this point. Sad

    If you have an MSDN subscription you can get a dev account for free.

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