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So who is the //build conference for?

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    Harlequin

    Is it a true replacement for the PDC? If so, is it for Silverlight/Web people as well, or is it a "Windows 8" only thing?

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    Ian2

    I may be completely wrong but my take is that BUILD is either:

    1. (Optimistic View) an attempt to consolidate WinDiv and DevDiv by forcing them to work to a common goal.

    2. An attempt by WinDiv to take some ownership of what was previously a conference owned by DevDiv (ie the PDC).

    My earnings this year have been diabolical (based partially on my enthusiasm for windows phone development) so it is unlikely that I will attend in person.

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    CKurt

    @Harlequin: It's for WINDOWS developers. Anybody who want to develop applications which run on Windows.

    They way you well need to write them is to be unveiled at the conference.

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    AndyC

    @Harlequin:I've basically seen it described as PDC + WinHec + MIX, the idea being that you bring everyone involved in the platform closer together.

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    Harlequin

    Mixed answers Smiley

    If it's truly "Windows Only" I don't see how it's a jumble of PDC/MIX at all. "Windows only" to me means "nothing to do with the browser". Eg. No HTML5/CSS/JQuery/Silverlight.

    To me this is based on WinForms/WPF/Windows devs, no?

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    vesuvius

    @Harlequin: I would say this is a client focussed event. ASP.NET developers can prettty much continue as they have already, and this is where the confusion lies.

    If you are a winforms developer, your base OS is XP and if developing on Win 8 means functionality is missing for XP machines, then this is a wasted trip

    If you are a WPF developer you're unlikely to jump onto a new technology (again) as the one you are using right now is incomplete and requires a lot more work hence this.

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    AndyC

    ,Harlequin wrote

      To me this is based on WinForms/WPF/Windows devs, no?

    Well at the very least the new HTML5 app model for Windows will be described and IE10 will play a big part too, so web developers will be involved.

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    vesuvius

    @AndyC: Most web developers application already run OK on tablets anyway, Yes some may like a more tablet oriented app, and iOs and Android are full on client frameworks.

    Don't forget that it requirements for cross browser compatability are usually high for most web development so the ditch all previous browsers and client OS is a difficult one.

     

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    figuerres

    this has been said more than one time in the last few weeks:

    microsoft has managed to send out some very confusing messages by letting out tiny bits of information and then not finishing the story.

    and the build thing seems to be the newest version of this problem that started back with the first Silverlight / HTML statements.

    IMHO they should give us all free tickets if we want to go.

    and start explainging what the event will talk about NOW.

    that *MIGHT* salvage some of the mess possibly.

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    Bass

    HTML/JS developers.

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    brian.​shapiro

    ,Bass wrote

    HTML/JS developers.

    Microsoft should release one version of Windows that only runs HTML/JS on its app platform and one that only runs Silverlight/WPF , and see which one ends up having better software.

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    Ian2

    @brian.shapiro:"WindowsDiv" and "WindowsDev" ?

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    Charles

    The default page on http://www.buildwindows.com/ pretty much says it all...

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    Bass

    @brian.shapiro:

    That would be a massive waste of resources that would serve no purpose but to confuse consumers. 

     

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    brian.​shapiro

    ,Bass wrote

    @brian.shapiro:

    That would be a massive waste of resources that would serve no purpose but to confuse consumers. 

     

    lol. I wasn't serious. It's purpose would be to prove something to you though.

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    Bass

    @brian.shapiro:

    What? That the HTML Windows will have more (and better) apps?!  Big Smile

    I can't think of any Silverlight apps I regularly use. Even this website is a HTML app.

    There is a reason Microsoft is embracing the web so strongly. Because that's where everything is going. Err, correction, that's where almost everything has already gone!

    It's only a small subset of .NET developers who are still delusional about the success of Silverlight that are keeping it on life support, if anything. 

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    Bas

    Yeah, and everyone prefers HTML apps over native ones on their smartphones too.

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    AndyC

    ,Bass wrote

    There is a reason Microsoft is embracing the web so strongly. Because that's where everything is going. Err, correction, that's where almost everything has already gone!

    It's only a small subset of .NET developers who are still delusional about the possible success of Silverlight that are keeps it on life support, if anything. 

    Except of course that most things haven't.

    In the grand scheme of things most applications are still native code Win32 applications and most likely will be for many years to come.

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