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    Erisan

    Do you think Steam Box has chance to survive in gaming industry?

    Phil Harrison (MS) about Steam Box and gaming: article

    I like the idea to have a gaming PC in a living room. It looks like it's possible to use other distribution systems as well. I have never owned a console since I simply find PC games better and PC much more versatile as a gaming platform.

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    wkempf

    I'm sure it will do OK, but it's not likely to really compete with game consoles. PC games in general require keyboard and mouse input (please note I said "in general"), and most people aren't going to want that in their living rooms.

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    Erisan

    @wkempf: A pad is more or less mandatory for PC gamer nowadays. Many games on PC are much more playable with the pad since they are ports from consoles. Some games are even unplayable (Dark Souls) without the pad.

    Steam Box gamer's has more choice because they can use mouse+keyboard. Mouse+keyboard makes FPS, strategy (Total War, Civilization, ...), simulators, MUDs, older games, etc. available for gamers additional to more casual pad/console -games.

    Steam has 50M users.

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    wkempf

    Yeah, you missed the point, I think. There's a reason I said "in general" more than once. Are you going to honestly tell me someone is going to use one of these boxes in their living room with no mouse/keyboard at all and not feel like the experience is somehow crippled? I don't buy it.

    Yes, Steam has 50M users, and they'll continue to have those users, with maybe 2% of them using a Steam Box in the living room.

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    Erisan

    @wkempf:Those who wants a better gaming experience will have pad+mouse+keyboard in living room. It would be interesting to know how big amount of Steam users are using pad for gaming.

    I see Steam Box quite a direct competitor to consoles. Steam Box with "Big Picture" functionality makes Steam client console-like. Steam Box with Big Picture enabled, a pad and console games is pretty much a console - with cheap games. I guess that's going to be a default setup.

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    Tokter

    I bought Call Of Duty MW3 from steam recently, the multiplayer is full of cheaters and hackers. That just kills PC gaming for me. I don't want to have to deal with that, on consoles that is almost not existent.

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    Erisan

    @Tokter:An excellent point. That's definitely a weak point of PC gaming.

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    Bass

    I think it is a great although risky idea. Remember Value is a tiny company compared to this console giants.

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    Harlequin

    How many users on Linux use Steam? If I have 50 Steam games, and only 2 have a Linux version...why would I buy their box?

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    BitFlipper

    @Harlequin: Steam is just upset at MS because the Store will be taking sales away from them, and if they make a Metro version of Steam they will need to pay MS 30%. So they are "sticking" it to MS.

    However just like all previous attempts to make a Linux console, it will fail because ultimately those that choose Linux out of "principle" also don't like to pay for anything (it's their God-given right to get everything for free and whatnot). Not to mention there just never will be any significant amount of native Linux games.

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    Erisan

    @Bass:Yeah true. There's many things that can go wrong, but still I'm positive about Valve's efforts.

    Don't know if there's even a slightest truth behind this but anyway ...
    ex-Sony employee: Xbox 360 and PS3 losses total $8 billion

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    Harlequin

    , Erisan wrote

    Those who wants a better gaming experience will have pad+mouse+keyboard in living room...

    Wish I could hook up keyboard/mouse to the Xbox...I'd kill more guys in Black Ops II..FPS games are tough with a controller Smiley

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    Erisan

    @BitFlipper: "However just like all previous attempts to make a Linux console, it will fail because ultimately those that choose Linux out of "principle" also don't like to pay for anything (it's their God-given right to get everything for free and whatnot)."

    Well, time will tell how Linux users behaves in Steam but at least in HumbleBundle Linux users has been paying quite nicely so far.
    Steam Box is not going to be the only Linux console that is trying to get some market share this year as there's going to be plenty of Android devices as well.

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    ZippyV

    , BitFlipper wrote

    @Harlequin: Steam is just upset at MS because the Store will be taking sales away from them, and if they make a Metro version of Steam they will need to pay MS 30%.

    No, they don't. You're talking about Apple.

    However just like all previous attempts to make a Linux console, it will fail because ultimately those that choose Linux out of "principle" also don't like to pay for anything (it's their God-given right to get everything for free and whatnot). Not to mention there just never will be any significant amount of native Linux games.

    The average Linux user pays more for the Humble Indie Bundles than Windows or Apple users.

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    Erisan

    @Harlequin:mouse+keyboard would give console player a nice advance for sure Smiley. I'm surprised that so many are able to play FPS with the pad at all. It's very clunky compared to mouse+keyboard. In the other hand I find pad good in FIFA, NHL, platformers, etc.

    Btw. Oculus Rift looks very interesting. It was demoed in CES and as far as I have read about it, people says it's very impressive. Can't wait to test it some day.

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    Ion Todirel

    , BitFlipper wrote

    However just like all previous attempts to make a Linux console, it will fail because ultimately those that choose Linux out of "principle" also don't like to pay for anything (it's their God-given right to get everything for free and whatnot). Not to mention there just never will be any significant amount of native Linux games.

    That doesn't make any sense, there's zero correlation between the OS being used and the potential success of a console. Did you hear about this thing called PlayStation 3, what kernel do you think they're using? 

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    Bass

    , Erisan wrote

    @Bass:Yeah true. There's many things that can go wrong, but still I'm positive about Valve's efforts.

    Don't know if there's even a slightest truth behind this but anyway ...
    ex-Sony employee: Xbox 360 and PS3 losses total $8 billion

    Yeah that's a problem. You have companies who are effectively price dumping their wares on the market, so how can someone without the same amount of money to burn compete? I wish them luck though, definitely.

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    BitFlipper

    , Ion Todirel wrote

    *snip*That doesn't make any sense, there's zero correlation between the OS being used and the potential success of a console. Did you hear about this thing called PlayStation 3, what kernel do you think they're using? 

    Yes it does make sense. In all cases where Linux has any kind of success, it is in cases where the OS itself is hidden away from the end user and most don't even know or care what OS it is because they never interact with it directly. What Valve is doing is trying to push Linux as more of a general purpose gaming PC where the end user will need to interact more directly with the actual OS (upgrade graphics card, install new controllers etc).

    That is not the only issue. Valve is trying to push this as a system where you can install anything you want (yes it is a great goal), except the number of Linux games is a tiny fraction of that of Windows. I find it hard to image every game developer suddenly falling over themselves trying to get a Linux version of their game out. Hence why I say just like all previous Linux console efforts, this will also fail. I say they should go ahead and do it, but ultimately it will just set them back and they will just prove my point. Again.

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