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    cbae

    I don't miss anything about Windows 7. Not one thing.

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    Jim Young

    @cbae: Same here. My music workstation is still on W7, but that's it.

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    Ian2

    Everything here upgraded to 8 no looking back, don't miss 7 as all the best bits and more are a part of 8 is gr8

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    cbae
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    chb

    I installed windows8 on my laptop and on my desktop. I got used to it and enjoy lots of free apps and safe installation via the windows store. Smiley

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    Reverse trolling. Wow.

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    C9Matt

    @DeathByVisualStudio: I think it's in response to this thread: http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Back-on-Windows-7

     

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    davewill

    @cbae: Interesting. I've wondered why toggling between two "pre-defined" shells wasn't the simplest path from non-touch to touch. Sounds like we will get a chance to see the two and maybe reveal why.

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    vesuvius

    , cbae wrote

    I don't miss anything about Windows 7. Not one thing.

    Found too much stuff was broken on my Main machine at home with all the "enthusiast" builds, and my Win 8 laptop was not used till a few weeks ago, when all the updates seem to have addressed a lot of issues I had, especially Traktor crashing midway.

    That Win 8 is a great OS is without doubt, but you would not have posted this thread the first week it came out, if that had been the only thing you could develop on.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , C9Matt wrote

    @DeathByVisualStudio: I think it's in response to this thread: http://channel9.msdn.com/Forums/Coffeehouse/Back-on-Windows-7

    Really? I thought if he wanted to respond to the W7 thread he actually would have, you know um... posted a response there rather than starting a "Windows 8 is Great!" love-in thread. I thought the OP of the W7 thread was pretty balanced on W7 vs. W8 so why start this silly thread?

    Shall I start the "Fire Ballmer" thread? It goes both ways...

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    figuerres

    , davewill wrote

    @cbae: Interesting. I've wondered why toggling between two "pre-defined" shells wasn't the simplest path from non-touch to touch. Sounds like we will get a chance to see the two and maybe reveal why.

    the only thing I can figure is that MS has in the past offered options that have had limited uptake.

    for example Windows Media Center, folks that use it often love it but ask 50 random windows users and I bet 45 of them have no idea it in windows.

    Tablet support:  from XP to date we have some pen and touch support in the os but how many folks have had a touch pc or tablet before windows 8 came out ?

    that is the only part of this where I can see some folks at MS thinking that they had to force users to use it. based on the past exp. with the above I can see what they thought.

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    elmer

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    The rumor mill seems to indicate that it would be optional which is great IMO.  Everyone wins in that case, you can get Windows to work like you prefer in a supported manner.  Sounds positive. 

    Now, if they officially sanctioned running Metro apps in a Window (on a desktop or laptop) I would be giddy.  I like everyone wins scenarios. Tongue Out

    Stardock have shown MS how to do it - Start8, ModernMix and DeskScapes - the functionality of these 3 add-ons would satisfy a large proportion of the noisy objections to Win8, and significantly reduce the 're-training cost' argument that keeps coming up from business users.

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    Bas

    I love the delicious irony in the complaints about trolling. Love it!

    Anyway, I bit the bullet a while ago and decided to run it without start menu addons for at least a few months to give it a shot. Turns out that I just don't care about the interface changes. I live in the desktop mostly and occasionally hit the Windows key to get a glance at some of the tiles, just to check for emails, messages, news, that sort of thing. Another tap and it's gone again. I love having it as a sort of information dashboard you can instantly bring up and get rid of again with a hardware key. I think this is the biggest UI improvement in the OS for me, and the most unexpected and undersold. 

    I read some of the news this week about Blue containing an option to boot directly to the desktop, and found that I don't really care about that either. I'm already in the desktop, and when I close the laptop it goes into sleep/hibernate, so I rarely boot the machine anyway. I guess it would be good for when you have a desktop you actually shut down.

    I suppose Windowed metro apps would be good on laptops and dekstops, but looking at my work machine, I have a browser, visual studio and some documentation open right now, and each of them are maximized on their individual screens. In fact I think -all- my applications always run maximized, so I'm not sure it would be that great of an addition for me, personally. You never know though.

    Obviously, the metro apps need to be way, way better than they are now. Mail is acceptable but nothing great. I'm okay with the calendar app but it could be way smarter than it is now. It's 2013, after all. Let me share an email to the calendar and let the calendar figure out an appointment from it by scanning it for dates, times, and attendees. Let the calendar check traffic data and remind me of an appointment earlier than I had said if it detects heavy traffic. Make the computer think of all this mundane stuff for me so I can think about something else.

    Also, desktop apps need to be able to provide tiles. I think this is the single most essential feature Microsoft needs to provide developers. Most useful apps are on the desktop right now, and if they could provide their own information to the start screen, the start screen would instantly become more useful in that dashboard sense I talked about earlier. Get a more usable start screen, and people will start to use and enjoy the metro environment, and there you go: smooth adoption from traditional to metro.

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    Dr Herbie

    , Bas wrote

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    Let me share an email to the calendar and let the calendar figure out an appointment from it by scanning it for dates, times, and attendees. Let the calendar check traffic data and remind me of an appointment earlier than I had said if it detects heavy traffic. Make the computer think of all this mundane stuff for me so I can think about something else.

    I like these ideas.  A smarter calendar would be a killer app and could be a reason in itself to chose one OS over another.

    Herbie

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , Bas wrote

    I love the delicious irony in the complaints about trolling. Love it!

    It's only ironic because you see trolling only one-way (anti-Microsoft). I'm sorry your view is so limited.

    , Bas wrote

    Also, desktop apps need to be able to provide tiles. I think this is the single most essential feature Microsoft needs to provide developers. Most useful apps are on the desktop right now, and if they could provide their own information to the start screen, the start screen would instantly become more useful in that dashboard sense I talked about earlier. Get a more usable start screen, and people will start to use and enjoy the metro environment, and there you go: smooth adoption from traditional to metro.

    I agree Microsoft could go a long way by providing desktop developers with WinRT but I doubt we'll see much if any of that. Microsoft is trying to reboot Windows to the Windows Store model and that means they need us devs to write Windows Store Apps. Like the move from WM to WP IMO they show they really don't care about LOB apps. It's all "here's a new tool box (WinRT), buy new hardware (customers), and enjoy your skills transfer (XAML, C#, etc.)". "As long as the desktop compatibility box is still there everyone will be happy" seems to be the mindset. I'd be happy if they changed directions and re-embraced the desktop but I'm not holding my breath.

    , elmer wrote

    *snip*

    Stardock have shown MS how to do it - Start8, ModernMix and DeskScapes - the functionality of these 3 add-ons would satisfy a large proportion of the noisy objections to Win8, and significantly reduce the 're-training cost' argument that keeps coming up from business users.

    I run ModernMix & Start8 on all of my W8 boxes and it certainly makes it more tolerable. Sadly for the same reasons cited above I don't think Microsoft is going to do much for the desktop because IMO they've decided to move away from it. There are already reports that the "boot to desktop" feature if for support of a "kiosk mode" for Windows.

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    cbae

    , DeathBy​VisualStudio wrote

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    It's only ironic because you see trolling only one-way (anti-Microsoft). I'm sorry your view is so limited.

    *snip*

    The frequency of trolling probably plays a hand in what he's talking about.

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    There are already reports that the "boot to desktop" feature if for support of a "kiosk mode" for Windows.

    Well, that's rather *-backward speculation. In a kiosk scenario, you don't want the user to drop out into the desktop.

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