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    Ian2
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    intelman

    Yup, want one of those. Wish Microsoft had a buy your surface RT back program, for a Surface 2. Honestly, the Surface 2 is what surface RT should have been.

    That screen! That speed (they should have gone with snapdragon instead of tegra 3).

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    OrigamiCar

    I'll be pre-ordering the power cover for my Surface Pro 1 first thing tomorrow morning - 2.5 times battery life is a huge deal for me. Surface pro 2 is nice, not really justified to myself getting one (yet) as I have a Surface Pro 1, but if I didn't then I'd definitely pick one up.

    The dock looks interesting as well, it only has 1 mini displayport on it - they should have put two in there so it could natively support two extra monitors without any additional dongles or adapters. I know you can daisy chain newer DP monitors (not mine unfortunately), or you could buy a splitter adapter, so it's easy enough to do - but I just wish they'd put the extra port in. Never the less, I'll be ordering one for myself.

    Interestingly, my (non technical) wife has just emailed and said she wants a dock for her surface pro as well, so she can get rid of her older desktop and use the surface pro as a desktop instead.

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    spivonious

    I'm disappointed that MS still isn't including a cover and still thinks they can charge $450 for an ARM-powered tablet that doesn't have the huge ecosystem support of an iPad.

    The new Pro is very nice-looking, but I still don't see the point in having full backwards-compatibility on a 10" device. The desktop is barely usable at that size.

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    cbae

    , spivonious wrote

    I'm disappointed that MS still isn't including a cover and still thinks they can charge $450 for an ARM-powered tablet that doesn't have the huge ecosystem support of an iPad.

    The new Pro is very nice-looking, but I still don't see the point in having full backwards-compatibility on a 10" device. The desktop is barely usable at that size.

    What should they be charging then?

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    intelman

    I am more excited about the announced 10k more apps on Launch? Including Mint.com!

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    spivonious

    , cbae wrote

    *snip*

    What should they be charging then?

    I think $350 is the right price, but include the touch cover. People need some extra incentive to buy an unproven product (both Surface and Windows RT).

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    magicalclick

    I think the Asus offering has better bang for the buck. Still using my 4 years old HP. Just don't want to spend the extra money right now.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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    cbae

    , spivonious wrote

    *snip*

    I think $350 is the right price, but include the touch cover. People need some extra incentive to buy an unproven product (both Surface and Windows RT).

    If you're under the impression that you can't do anything on it because of the lack of apps, I'm not sure how saving a $100 is going to make it worthwhile.

    The extra incentive is the free 200 GB of SkyDrive and free WiFi hotspots and international calls on Skype.

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    elmer

    , cbae wrote

    *snip*

    The extra incentive is the free 200 GB of SkyDrive and free WiFi hotspots and international calls on Skype.

    Microsoft are late to the party, and while the product is quite good, it's not good enough to capture market without some strong pricing incentive. This just seems to be setting up a repeat of last year's sales flop.

    Sticker price is what attracts consumers in the first instance, not dubious service extras.

    Personally, I think the prices are too high, particularly on the higher capacity Pro models - that seems to be very expensive flash-ram. I certainly won't be buying.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    I like where Microsoft is going with this:

    1. Docking station with DisplayPort that can run two monitors (though I believe you need either a dongle to split the single port on the dock or a monitor that supports daisy-chaining). The only thing I haven't been able to confirm is with DisplayPort can you treat the monitors as separate devices (so maximizing a window doesn't take up both screens)? From what I've read (briefly) either connection approach provides a unified "display" that acts as a single monitor. I know there is software out there that lets you partition your screen into separate displays but you have to wonder what kind of pain points it has (like how well it plays with the Windows Store App environment.) 
    2. LTE (coming in early 2014). I know you can tether a phone but I'd rather not have to deal with more cables and looking like a total dork when setting up my tablet as a laptop and putting all of the pieces together. Plus who wants to kill their phone battery while acting as a hotspot (and no outlet is available)? Love it built-in.
    3. Power Cover -- More battery and nice swiping gestures. Sweet.
    4. Free Skype and SkyDrive storage -- nice of them to include that for folks who end up getting the smaller storage versions.

    The Surface 2 with Windows RT is still a big question mark. Sure it has Outlook and a bit faster CPU but until the Windows App Store has more quality apps that people "require" I think it's going to be another big write-off. Keep in mind they have to beat the stigma of the Surface RT which isn't going to be easy. Now when they get Windows RT on the phone that'll be a whole new ballgame. As a developer that excites me the most.

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    cbae

    , elmer wrote

    *snip*

    Microsoft are late to the party, and while the product is quite good, it's not good enough to capture market without some strong pricing incentive. This just seems to be setting up a repeat of last year's sales flop.

    The party's barely started. It may be a sales flop, but it's not going to be because of price.

    Sticker price is what attracts consumers in the first instance, not dubious service extras.

    Sticker price attracts consumers, but that's not what keeps them using the product. I've seen plenty of sub-$300 Android tablets strewn all over the display counters of Best Buy and Fry's that look like guaranteed throwaways after a few months of use.

    Personally, I think the prices are too high, particularly on the higher capacity Pro models - that seems to be very expensive flash-ram. I certainly won't be buying.

    Good for you. Save your pennies.

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    brian.​shapiro

    , DeathBy​VisualStudio wrote

    1. Free Skype and SkyDrive storage -- nice of them to include that for folks who end up getting the smaller storage versions.

    Dunno. I use external and online storage for all my documents anyway, because I've just found keeping your documents tied to computer is a bad idea. I already do this, though, and don't need the 200GB extra, though its certainly nice. What I need the internal storage for is installed apps and games. I wouldn't buy the model with less disk space just because of the SkyDrive space.

    Especially since its only for two years. What about after two years?

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    elmer

    , cbae wrote

    *snip*

    The party's barely started. It may be a sales flop, but it's not going to be because of price.

    I disagree (price of the 512GB/8GB Pro seems stupidly expensive to me) but we'll see.

    FWIW: Paul Thurrott apparently thinks the same

    http://winsupersite.com/mobile-devices/surface-2-pricing

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    spivonious

    , cbae wrote

    *snip*

    If you're under the impression that you can't do anything on it because of the lack of apps, I'm not sure how saving a $100 is going to make it worthwhile.

    The extra incentive is the free 200 GB of SkyDrive and free WiFi hotspots and international calls on Skype.

    You misunderstand, I'm fine with Windows RT. My wife has the Asus tablet and has no issue with it.

    The average consumer knows nothing about Windows RT. They go to the store and see the iPad, the Surface, and the Nexus 10. They have an iPhone and like their friend's iPad, but they've heard good things about Android, and after all, they use Google for searching, email, and their calendar. Still, they have had a Windows PC for over ten years and have a large library of Office documents. Windows 8 seems pretty cool with the live tiles and touch interface. Plus those touch covers in the commercials look cool. But then again, none of their friends have a Surface, and they've heard bad reviews of Windows 8.

     

    Nexus 10: $350

    Surface 2: $550 (with touch cover)

    iPad: $500

     

    Do you really think that 2 years of Skydrive and international calls on Skype will change their mind?

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    bondsbw

    , spivonious wrote

    Do you really think that 2 years of Skydrive and international calls on Skype will change their mind?

    Those wouldn't change my mind, but frankly the problem that Windows RT (and thus Surface RT) had in its first year was the lack of apps.  Android had this same problem... I bought a Motorola XOOM when it first came out, and it sold worse than the Surface RT.

    But now look at Android tablets, they're selling twice as fast as the iPad... in my opinion, because apps have expanded considerably.  That's the ticket... and the Windows Store has twice as many apps as the iPad had in the same time frame.

    Microsoft needs to show off the apps in their store, and then show off the strengths of the OS and device.  You're somewhat right about Skydrive and Skype.  But Snap View and the tile interface are areas that blow away the competition, IMHO, and Microsoft needs to campaign on those strengths.

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    kettch

    @bondsbw: The app situation is definitely improving. I skimmed through one of those "Top 10 best apps for IOS7" articles the other day, and every single one of them was also present on Windows Phone and Windows 8.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , kettch wrote

    @bondsbw: The app situation is definitely improving. I skimmed through one of those "Top 10 best apps for IOS7" articles the other day, and every single one of them was also present on Windows Phone and Windows 8.

    "Present" doesn't necessarily mean they are good. When it comes to W8 that is especially true. For example there are a ton of half-baked substitutes for apps like Facebook but nothing published by Facebook themselves. Sadly using the Facebook website is better than most if not all of these app substitutes.

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