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    elmer

    Well they are all being released now.

    AnandTech says:

    "I still believe Microsoft has the right idea here. It just needs some more iterations."

    http://www.anandtech.com/show/6695/microsoft-surface-pro-review

    Performance good, screen excellent, price too high (because of the keyboard cover price).

    But the biggest issue is the battery life - 4-to-4.5h - which is to be expected with the current i5 I guess.

    If I were in the market (which I'm not) I'd probably be waiting for a Haswell refresh, and hopefully for the keyboard cover to become an included item, for that price.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    I agree; it's got some great ideas in it but isn't quite there.

    While it has a great screen the resolution is almost too high for the size. They had to fiddle with the desktop DPI to make things readable (albeit blurry) and touchable thus negating some of the benefit of the higher resolution. You can change that to a lower DPI but then things become hard to read and touch.

    One review I read said something to the effect of "It's not a tablet and it's not a laptop. If you need a laptop get a laptop. If you need a tablet get a tablet." So what exactly is this new category of device that Microsoft is trying to get people to think they need? I know with the original iPad a lot of people were saying "What would I do with it? I have a laptop and a smartphone. What do I need with a tablet other than to have something on the coffee table." While the Surface Pro and similar devices are capable of much more that a coffee table media consumption device I have to wonder how Microsoft will get folks attention.

    1. Laptop replacement? Screen is too small for many content creators. Not as trustworthy on the lap (falls over for some).
    2. Tablet replacement? Great tablet but is overkill if you just want to consume content.
    3. Home PC replacement? It could work but for many you'd want an external monitor for long hours in front of the PC. Also it could pose a problem in those households where the PC is shared and someone has lifted the tablet to take to the coffeeshop. I think the all-in-ones are a better upgrade to Windows 8 in this case (and some of those giant "tablets" would be fun for shared table-top gaming experiences).

    Like I've said before I've been using my Build 2012 tablet as a laptop replacement for quite awhile and it works but its full of compromises. That's why we're looking at the Lenovo Yoga 13 -- laptop first, everything else is icing on the cake.

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    evildictait​or

    , DeathBy​VisualStudio wrote

    One review I read said something to the effect of "It's not a tablet and it's not a laptop. If you need a laptop get a laptop. If you need a tablet get a tablet." So what exactly is this new category of device that Microsoft is trying to get people to think they need? 

    Isn't that the whole point? The whole market for Surface is people who want the convenience and small form factor of a tablet but who find an iPad not powerful enough to do all of the work they need to do (e.g. not having fully featured versions of Office).

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    Retro​Recursion

    , evildictait​or wrote

    The whole market for Surface is people who want the convenience and small form factor of a tablet but who find an iPad not powerful enough to do all of the work they need to do (e.g. not having fully featured versions of Office).

    I think the reviews sum up nicely the experience I have had with the Surface. On its own, not a good tablet replacement. On its own, not a good laptop replacement.

    As a laptop the Surface is interesting, but not very usable. Unless you have it on a desk or table, the kickstand is not convenient for placing this thing on... well... your lap.

    As a tablet it's heavy and not very comfortable to hold for longer periods of time. And its 16:9 ratio makes it very awkward to hold in portrait mode. It gets top heavy really quick because of its extra length.

    It's a nice attempt by Microsoft, but I have a hard time believing that's it's enough. It really feels like another Zune project to me.

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    cbae

    , Visible = False wrote

    *snip*

    As a tablet it's heavy and not very comfortable to hold for longer periods of time. And its 16:9 ratio makes it very awkward to hold in portrait mode. It gets top heavy really quick because of its extra length.

    *snip*

    Then you must be confusing portrait and landscape. Most of the stress from holding a tablet is from the downward force applied to your fingers. If you hold a tablet as any normal person does, one edge of the tablet is anchored between your thumb and index finger and the rest of your fingers support the tablet with an upward torque. The amount of torque can be calculated based on the device's moment of inertia, which is directly proportional to mass and exponentially proportional to distance. As a 16:9 tablet is narrower than, say, a 4:3 iPad in portrait mode, the torque against your fingers is actually less with a 16:9 tablet. If you are experiencing a certain "top-heaviness", it just means you don't have it centered in your hand. This is something you can workaround by positioning it in your hand better or by fanning out your fingers more, but you can't work around the physics of the additional torque due to the higher moment of inertia of a 4:3 device.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , cbae wrote

    *snip*

    Then you must be confusing portrait and landscape. Most of the stress from holding a tablet is from the downward force applied to your fingers. If you hold a tablet as any normal person does, one edge of the tablet is anchored between your thumb and index finger and the rest of your fingers support the tablet with an upward torque. The amount of torque can be calculated based on the device's moment of inertia, which is directly proportional to mass and exponentially proportional to distance. As a 16:9 tablet is narrower than, say, a 4:3 iPad in portrait mode, the torque against your fingers is actually less with a 16:9 tablet. If you are experiencing a certain "top-heaviness", it just means you don't have it centered in your hand. This is something you can workaround by positioning it in your hand better or by fanning out your fingers more, but you can't work around the physics of the additional torque due to the higher moment of inertia of a 4:3 device.

    Maybe Microsoft should include that in the tutorial they show for the mouse magic corners at first sign-in.

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    cbae

    @DeathByVisualStudio: You don't need a tutorial on common sense. You don't need to know F=ma to know that mass affects the amount of force you feel when something hits you. The same goes for things that twist in your hand.

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    elmer

    LOL... You're holding it wrong.

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    cbae

    , elmer wrote

    LOL... You're holding it wrong.

    Exactly.

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    rjdohnert

    With Windows RT, Windows 8 and Surface Pro now being declared junk on all three fronts, what is Microsofts next plan?  I mean I bought a Windows Surface RT, and I hated it.  Windows 8 was just so cumbersome and truthfully, I couldnt get the desktop release of Windows 8 to work well either.  Apps refused to download, one day it would tell me Im activated and using genuine Windows, another day it would say I was a pirate, and yet another day Im genuine again.  One day, across my OWN network, the file server in the next room, it said it was going to take an hour and a half to download a 1.2 gb file, where my Windows 7 and OS4 Linux machines it only took a moment or two.  I ended up returning the Surface RT and getting a Kindle Fire HD because the Surface RT gave me problem after problem.  Im not disappointed in Metro, I think its brilliant, Im more disappointed in the quality and the presentation.  Im not trolling here, Im just frustrated.  So what is Microsoft going to do to reestablish my confidence in their products and as a developer, why should I bother developing for Windows 8?  My Windows Phone 8 I love it, thats the brightest star shining in the MS camp right now.  My mother BTW has no problems with Windows 8 but she just uses e-mail and Internet Explorer.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , cbae wrote

    The same goes for things that twist in your hand.

    Or in the wind for that matter.

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    evildictait​or

    , rjdohnert wrote

    I mean I bought a Windows Surface RT, and I hated it.

    ...

    My mother BTW has no problems with Windows 8 but she just uses e-mail and Internet Explorer.

    Anyone who has a private file server is a pretty big outlier on the distribution of how an average person uses a computer.

    Most people who use computers are about as technical as your mum. All Microsoft needs to do to make lots of money is to make people like your mum happy. 

     

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , evildictait​or wrote

    *snip*

    No offense, but anyone who has a private file server is a pretty big outlier on the distribution of how an average person uses a computer.

    Are you saying slow file copying is not a problem or are you just ignoring what he said in order to make a different point? Every computer is a server (you know file sharing via homegroup and the like). My kids and I share files all of the time across the LAN; music, photos, etc. Was Windows RT (or maybe just Surface RT) not designed to efficiently copy files? I'm just asking because I've never owned a Windows RT device.

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    evildictait​or

    , DeathBy​VisualStudio wrote

    Are you saying slow file copying is not a problem.

    Yes.

    I decided not to comment on it directly because it is part of a long list of supposed reasons why Surface supposedly sucks, many of which are spurious at best, I was just going to assume it was an exaggeration, and not a request for help diagnosing why Windows8 has a 90x slowdown in network file copy speeds compared to Linux, particularly since I know from experience that copying large files is an inherently disk and network bound task and that the code for copying network files in Windows RT is the ostensibly the same as copying network files in Windows 7, which the op himself says is fast.

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    elmer

    The Anantech test indicates that the WiFi of the Surface Pro has more than twice the performance of the Surface RT.

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    magicalclick

    I would get a RT instead, way more battery life, which is most important for me. And the only thing I need on desktop is VS, which is not really suitable for tablet anyway. I do hope they make a RT version of VS and WebMatrix (not metro), so, I can be a happy camper on cheaper RT longer battery offering.

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    Harlequin

    What about 3rd party stuff? Like an attachable extended battery. My Motion Computing LE1600 Tablet PC has an extended battery, she snaps right onto the back, and turns 3-4h into 8-9h.

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    Could we not see something like this for the Surface Pro?

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    JeremyJ

    @Harlequin: Actually Microsoft is already planning for that which is why they improved the keyboard connector for the Pro.

    http://winsource.com/2013/02/06/microsoft-surface-creator-panos-panay-hints-at-keyboard-cover-with-extended-battery/

     

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