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Surface Pro as Laptop/Desktop replacement

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    wkempf

    , RLO wrote

    Ok, just a thought here.  Maybe thinking outside of the box is what is needed.

    Let's just take consumer pricing, wouldn't it behoove Microsoft to include a recovery USB Key.  A 16gb memory stick is about 15 dollars now.  With volume pricing it would be even less than that.

    Originally OEM's included a recovery disc, wouldn't it be progressive and cost effective for Microsoft to do the same thing with modern tech.

    As is, I couldn't even think about purchasing a 64gb Surface with that much storage restriction.  Especially with the known issues with integrating a microsd card as part of the storage.  (Bring on the Windows Home Server Storage Pool, thank you very much.) 

    Modern day laptops generally still have CD drives. Despite that, the vast majority of them don't ship you recovery media on CD, they put it on the device in a separate partition. That CD is going to cost a LOT less than a USB stick. They still don't give you recovery media. There must be a reason for that, and it makes no sense to think it has to do with the cost of the media. I can think of several reasons why it might be, but I won't claim I know why. I do know that for many consumers putting the recovery media on the device is best possible choice. For most of the rest of us, it shouldn't be an issue because we're tech savvy enough to create that USB stick ourselves and wipe out the recovery partition. So, for the most part, these arguments are pointless. I guarantee there's not a single person on this thread complaining about this that would have any problems at all creating their own recovery media and removing the partition. It's just fun to knock on Microsoft, really.

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    ScanIAm

    Hmmm, I don't seem to need a laptop/desktop replacement.  I've got the Vivo RT, but you can assume it's a surface RT.  I've had  it for a few months, now, and it gets regular use by me to:

    1) surf for things while laying in bed, watching TV.

    2) RDP into my desktop or laptop or media center PCs which are anywhere from 4 to 40 meters away from me. 

    I was thinking about the Pro, but now that I've used the RT for this long, I just don't see what it will add.  The form factor is too small to do any serious work, and despite the advertizing blitzes from any and all tablet manufacturers (including Apple and Google), tablets are a stupid form factor for doing long term creative work.

    Edit: and I picked up the keyboard attachment for this very reason.  Screen typing is for hipster dummies.

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    CaRDiaK

     It's just fun to knock on Microsoft, really.

    I don't think that's true at all.. 

    But what isn't fun, is making sacrifices all over xmas to save up for one, to then have it knocked back to a completely unknown date and price all the while more and more negative news coming.. I can't wait for just how shocking the battery life is going to be. Because something smells rotten in Denmark to me.. 

    I for one was hoping to make this my hobby dev replacement.. it's no trouble popping a full size kb, mouse and monitor, it has all that covered.. but you get the benefit of being able to take it with you for use in other areas. But looks like I got that wrong also, seems I got it all wrong. Ha. I'll entertain myself with a RaspberryPI for the summer instead whilst I watch with anticipation how this fiasco unfolds. 

    We can only see a short distance ahead, but we can see plenty there that needs to be done.
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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , evildictait​or wrote

    *snip*

    I'm sure you outsmarted those Best Buy employees. Give yourself a pat on the back. I'm not sure how you outsmarting a couple of minimum wage workers in a Best Buy says anything (positive or negative) about Windows RT though.

    Microsoft employees EvilD, Microsoft employees...

    Note to self: Inferring that someone is a liar is acceptable forum decorum.

    *snip*

    So you've poked a couple of apps on a Windows RT device in a store. You've never actually tried to properly use one. You've never tried writing an actual document in desktop Office, nor have you tried actually browsing the Internet like you would at home.

    What I'm getting at is that all of your negativity towards Windows RT is almost entirely based on what you've read about it on websites that you frequent. You've never actually bothered to try it and give it a fair test.

    Actually I typed a full page document in Word (to test the keyboard lag) and did extensive testing in OneNote as that would be my daughter's principle application. I even pestered the clerks enough to get me a capacitive pen to test the inking.

    The problem here is your stereotyping of me and until you get over it I'm wasting my time here because no matter what I do it won't be good enough for you.

    If we all believed in unicorns and fairies the world would be a better place.
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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , wkempf wrote

    *snip*

    Hmmm... I'd say you're reply came much closer to calling me a moron than his post did you. So, I'm going to agree with what you just said, but suggest you think about what you said a bit.

    I'm not sure where you're getting that from. I said you totally missed my point and showed you how through self-deprecation (you know calling myself a moron). I'm sorry if that wasn't clear. 

    If we all believed in unicorns and fairies the world would be a better place.
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    wkempf

    , CaRDiaK wrote

    *snip*

    I don't think that's true at all.. 

    But what isn't fun, is making sacrifices all over xmas to save up for one, to then have it knocked back to a completely unknown date and price all the while more and more negative news coming.. I can't wait for just how shocking the battery life is going to be. Because something smells rotten in Denmark to me.. 

    I for one was hoping to make this my hobby dev replacement.. it's no trouble popping a full size kb, mouse and monitor, it has all that covered.. but you get the benefit of being able to take it with you for use in other areas. But looks like I got that wrong also, seems I got it all wrong. Ha. I'll entertain myself with a RaspberryPI for the summer instead whilst I watch with anticipation how this fiasco unfolds. 

    The news is being reported as negative, but the reality is something else entirely. There's nothing here that we didn't know, or couldn't have figured out, and it's only "negative" if you spin it that way.

    The Surface Pro isn't a typical "tablet" like the iPad or Nexus devices. It has a tablet form factor, but has much more in common with ultrabooks/laptops than it does tablets. That was always a known fact. As such, all this hoopla about the space taken up by the OS, installed apps and the recovery partition should have been known information all the way back to the day the Surface was announced. It's only negative if you spin it that way, because, again, we've not considered it negative for the past 10 years!

    I don't see how any of this information makes you conclude you got anything wrong. The Surface should work just as well for a "hobby dev replacement" as any ultrabook/laptop with the same size HD would have (the only difference is that the screen is smaller than most ultrabook/laptops, but you always knew that). Me, I'm still going to use a 128GB Windows 8 Pro tablet/hybrid as my next device, on which I plan to do development work. I know the trade offs I'm making with that decision, and I'm fine with them. Other's won't be... but nothing has changed with the recent announcements to make you switch from "I thought" to "I can't".

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , evildictait​or wrote

    *snip*

    Let's not pretend that DBVS is an average consumer or that he went into that store to buy a Windows RT tablet. By the sounds of it, he went into the store to mock the staff's lack of knowledge of Windows RT.

    Let's be honest. DBVS and WTWF weren't ever going to buy Windows RT tablets. But then you're probably not going to sell a steak to a vegetarian or a Ford car to the CEO of Toyota. That doesn't mean that the steak isn't juicy or that the Ford car isn't better. It's that when you're trying to sell something to someone who's already chosen not to want your product, you're not going to be able to convince them otherwise, no matter what you do.

    Missed that one. Looks like I'm a liar again. And who said "the good guys" can't take this forum to the negative?  Perplexed

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    evildictait​or

    , DeathBy​VisualStudio wrote

    Missed that one. Looks like I'm a liar again.

    I didn't say you were a liar. I said you weren't impartial.

    And, no offence  but saying I took this forum to the negative by saying you're not impartial when you started this thread with "Unfortunately...[Microsoft] blew [the release of Surface]", "Windows [is] bloated", "[Surface] is painful" and "Read it and weep" is a bit rich.

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    Charles

    Folks, enough. This threads has run its course.
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