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Tango: The dance Microsoft needs to get right

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    More bad news for WP http://www.neowin.net/news/ouch-bada-os-market-share-larger-than-windows-phone

    Even lowly Bada is beating WP. Now this isn't a completely fair comparison since Bada is sold in markets WP doesn't reach yet but once Tango is out these numbers will matter more as it's my understanding that Tango is meant primarily to expand WP to these markets where Bada is sold.

    On the flip side the more entrenched Bada gets the harder it will be for WP to invade those markets. Another "also-ran" opportunity for Microsoft?

    In the end if Tango isn't successful in battling Bada I surely hope Microsoft's board dumps Ballmer. When the Kin went down in flames it was pretty clear they expected Ballmer to get WP right. So far that hasn't happened (sales-wise). If the Nokia angle plus Tango's reach doesn't show a serious uptake in WP sales I don't see how Ballmer and crew can say WP is a success.

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    JoshRoss

    I'm going to have to disagree with you. There are going to be hundreds of millions of Windows 8 deployments. And hundreds of thousands of Metro Apps available soon after launch, which will happen way after Tango is released.

    At most Tango will just have be another shredded fish, in the bucket of chum, for it to fulfill its purpose.

    People are not investing significant amounts in Android app purchases, so there is little there to keep them from switching platforms. The quantity of iOS app / media purchases are something completely different.

    I haven't used a Bada device, so I cannot comment about its functionally. But I have used several Android devices and the inconsistencies are irritating, and Google isn't making enough money to put together something much better. There is only so many sharks that a company can put in its moat, and Googles moat is looking rather full.

    -Josh

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    JeremyJ

    This shows how much of a hill they have to climb but since Nokia came in they are finally making a dent:

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    http://wmpoweruser.com/nokia-lumia-launch-in-finland-caused-measurable-drop-in-market-share-of-iphone-and-android/

     

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    Bass

    Not really surprising. Bada is a pretty well funded OS and developed by Samsung, one of the largest phone manufacturers. It's a fairly capable operating system and Samsung continues to improve it.

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    vesuvius

    I think a few of these companies are going to go bust, very soon

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    @JeremyJ:

    Nice. Those are really well balanced charts you have there Jeremy offering the broadest comparisons from across the marketplace. I see from your charts WP is gallantly beating BB and Symbian in four countries. Awesome! I'm sure that's reflective of some world wide trend just because you infer it. In Nokia's home country people are actually buying their phones?!?!? Outstanding! And remember when you start at near zero it's easy to portray even the most modest improvements especially when your y-axis is in decimals.

    What was your point again?

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , JoshRoss wrote

    I'm going to have to disagree with you. There are going to be hundreds of millions of Windows 8 deployments. And hundreds of thousands of Metro Apps available soon after launch, which will happen way after Tango is released.

    At most Tango will just have be another shredded fish, in the bucket of chum, for it to fulfill its purpose.

    I absolutely agree that Microsoft shares your sentiments. It's that same sentiment that will reveal how chum-like Microsoft's disjointed, late to market, "also-ran" strategies really are and ultimately lead to their failure in putting a dent in Apple's phone and tablets sales. At best they'll get people to upgrade their Windows boxes (like they always do) and buy tablets instead of laptops. The key on the latter is if they can stop the bleeding of the PC market loosing ground to other manufacturers' tablets and smartphones. iOS, Android, Bada and the like are all hear today winning over hearts and minds. At best Microsoft will release W8 late this year and WP8 sometime after that. Based on their track record or winning over people to WP7 I don't believe they'll have much luck converting people. Even with mango out and Nokia producing quality phones there's been no huge uptick in WP sales. Typical Microsoft, "well when we do X it will finally turn around." X has come and gone. Microsoft needs to get rid of people like Ballmer who appear to think like this.

    BTW, I love my Android phone. I find it very customizable and flexible. Others that I know who have Android phones say the same thing. My year-and-a-half old Evo still does everything I want it to do and it does it well -- no hacking required.

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    Bass

    They aren't really offering anything to OEMs and carriers either. Oh great another proprietary OS, one that we can't really customize. Apple gets away with it because they have reliable customer loyalty and desirable products. But even they are feeling the heat from Android.

    Android gives OEMs a product they have control over and can innovate on top of. OEMs can't do that with Windows. That's why we see threads like this. And with Linux and GNU in general OEMs can can build a competitive platform without billions of dollars and Redmond-style development. I fail to see why Microsoft's services are even necessary anymore.

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    JeremyJ

    @DeathByVisualStudio:  Your first post mentioned Bada.  My first graph (which I didn't make any of them) shows that WP overtook both Bada and Blackberry in some countries.  Blackberry has been around far longer than WP and was once quite popular.  The other graphs show that while some competitors are in the decline or stalling, WP is starting to make significant gains.  I tried to show various countries other than the US because Nokia hasn't really started here yet.

    Sorry that my opinions don't agree with yours.  I can tell by your response that you are just a troll and not looking to discuss the topic.  No problem, I just won't participate in any more of your flame threads. 

    BTW, I had an Android phone for quite a while and found it to be a laggy unstable piece o crap.  I am happy to have finally thrown that thing in the trash where it belongs.

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    evildictait​or

    , vesuvius wrote

    I think a few of these companies are going to go bust, very soon

    Maybe, but I don't think Microsoft or Apple are in any danger of that.

    RIM on the other hand...

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    Blue Ink

    @evildictaitor: RIM seems to be asleep at the wheel. I would have bet on them joining the Android market a long time ago as that was the best option available, if not the only option available. If they wait too long, it will take a bold and risky move to revive the brand.

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    spivonious

    , JeremyJ wrote

    This shows how much of a hill they have to climb but since Nokia came in they are finally making a dent:

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    http://wmpoweruser.com/nokia-lumia-launch-in-finland-caused-measurable-drop-in-market-share-of-iphone-and-android/

     

    Ouch. At least it seems to be growing (although Apple and Android are growing too). It will be interesting to check that graph at this time next year. I expect most of Symbian's share to be sucked up by Windows Phone and Android. Without Steve Jobs, I believe Apple will flounder and begin to decline. I'm reading his biography and there just aren't people like him that come along very often. I'm not saying he was a genius, but he was very driven and always got his way. I don't get that perception from Tim Cook.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , JeremyJ wrote

    @DeathByVisualStudio:  Your first post mentioned Bada.  My first graph (which I didn't make any of them) shows that WP overtook both Bada and Blackberry in some countries.  Blackberry has been around far longer than WP and was once quite popular.  The other graphs show that while some competitors are in the decline or stalling, WP is starting to make significant gains.  I tried to show various countries other than the US because Nokia hasn't really started here yet.

    Sorry that my opinions don't agree with yours.  I can tell by your response that you are just a troll and not looking to discuss the topic.  No problem, I just won't participate in any more of your flame threads. 

    BTW, I had an Android phone for quite a while and found it to be a laggy unstable piece o crap.  I am happy to have finally thrown that thing in the trash where it belongs.

    That's fine by me. If it makes you happier to spin miopic truths rather than face the facts then more power to ya.

    "shows that WP overtook Bada [in Italy] and Blackberry in some countries." -- There; I fixed that for ya.

    If we all believed in unicorns and fairies the world would be a better place.
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