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    vesuvius

    , cbae wrote 

    Whatever the case, when I said that MIT was in Cambridge, not Boston, our resident troll didn't just say "Well, technically it's in Cambridge, but everybody considers Cambridge to be a part of Boston." He said I was flat-out incorrect to say MIT is in Cambridge. 

    If you look at http://web.mit.edu/ (towards the bottom of the screen) then it is clear who is correct

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    magicalclick

    , JeremyJ wrote

    *snip*

    Of course there are clueless people everywhere and will buy whatever people tell them to. It doesn't matter the technology or the item.

    My point exactly.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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    evildictait​or

    , 10101010 wrote

    "Ubuntu to Red-hat and even Backtrack Linux."

    On what hardware?

    I've seen a lot of Ubuntu on Macs and Windows on Macs under Parallels.

    I did see some people with Macs, but most of the folk there were on plain-old-boring laptops running Windows or weird and wonderful flavours of Linux.

    Out of the tecchie folk people I know, almost everyone either uses Windows or Linux. Either Windows is too "commercial and restrictive" for them, in which case Macs are too and they default to Linux, or they need specialist tools to run on their machine, in which case Windows wins. I know lots of folk that dual-boot Windows and Linux (or Linux and Windows depending on your pov), but very few who use macs seriously in the technical world.

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    fanbaby

    , evildictaitor wrote

    *snip*

    I did see some people with Macs, but most of the folk there were on plain-old-boring laptops running Windows or weird and wonderful flavours of Linux.

    Out of the tecchie folk people I know, almost everyone either uses Windows or Linux. Either Windows is too "commercial and restrictive" for them, in which case Macs are too and they default to Linux, or they need specialist tools to run on their machine, in which case Windows wins. I know lots of folk that dual-boot Windows and Linux (or Linux and Windows depending on your pov), but very few who use macs seriously in the technical world.

    Come again?

    Nearly EVERY presentation I  watched on youtube, on ruby, python, go, about the cloud, by Google employees, by cloud companies, by web developers, etc. was on a mac. Did you know that a mac is unix? I guess i misunderstand what you mean when you say "technical world".  I guess you mean dotnet. 

    To be on topic, i recall when the iPad was introduced, it was near unanimously greeted with "what, a huge iPhone? boring!", and I sometimes think people on this thread still feel that way. In any case, i'm indifferent to the iPad/iPhone as I am to WP7 or Windows in general. Still what i see folding before my eyes is miraculous. 3m ipads sold on the fisrt weekend.

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    evildictait​or

    , fanbaby wrote

    Nearly EVERY presentation I  watched on youtube, on ruby, python, go, about the cloud, by Google employees, by cloud companies, by web developers, etc. was on a mac. Did you know that a mac is unix? I guess i misunderstand what you mean when you say "technical world".  I guess you mean dotnet. 

    Actually the conference I was thinking of was Black Hat USA. I hardly ever program in .NET because there isn't any support for it in the kernel (there isn't any cloud or ruby or python or web-languages there either, thank god). And no matter how much you try and spin it, OSX is not Linux.

    So yeah, I guess you misunderstand what I mean when I say technical.

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    fanbaby

    , evildictaitor wrote

    *snip*

    Actually the conference I was thinking of was Black Hat USA. I hardly ever program in .NET because there isn't any support for it in the kernel (there isn't any cloud or ruby or python or web-languages there either, thank god). And no matter how much you try and spin it, OSX is not Linux.

    So yeah, I guess you misunderstand what I mean when I say technical.

    Never said OSX is linux, I said it's unix. 

    I guess that yes, at Black Hat USA you would see mostly Windows and Linux. But from what I wrote above, it's the exception when it comes to conferences.

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    01001011

    @evildictaitor:

    I hardly ever program in .NET because there isn't any support for it in the kernel

    There isn't support for any language in the kernel. There isn't any support for glibc in the kernel. The kernel just exposes system calls so whatever compiles to op codes can access it. If you're talking about programming the kernel itself then there's only support for C with no standard libc.

    Not that it matters at all.

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    Bass

    @evildictaitor:

    If you have been to Black Hat the only explanation is you work in some kind of security related field because nobody goes to such an expensive conference as a hobbyist. Thank you for confirming my suspicions. Tongue Out

     

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    evildictait​or

    , 01001011 wrote

    @evildictaitor:

    *snip*

    There isn't support for any language in the kernel.

    Well if you're going down that road, there isn't support for any language anywhere. Somebody has to write the STL after all. Windows has C and C++ in the kernel, and Linux and OSX have just plain C - and just because you have to call kalloc or ExAllocatePool instead of malloc, doesn't make it any less supported in ring0 land.

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    fanbaby

    , evildictaitor wrote

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    ... I hardly ever program in .NET because there isn't any support for it in the kernel (there isn't any cloud or ruby or python or web-languages there either, thank god). ...

    From reading the posts following this one, I think you meant "there isn't any .net in the kernel, or ruby or ...". 

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    evildictait​or

    , fanbaby wrote

    *snip*

    From reading the posts following this one, I think you meant "there isn't any .net in the kernel, or ruby or ...". 

    The CLR doesn't work in the kernel, hence you cannot use .NET.

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    Bass

    @evildictaitor:

    Yet.

     

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    Ian2

    Looks like its a definite improvement but not sure it would be worth upgrading from a 2 (unless you have plenty of disposable)

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    evildictait​or

    Probably ever. Microsoft are increasingly trying to push stuff out of the kernel and into SYSTEM user-mode processes. If a driver really wants the CLR it can always go and use the CLR in a user-mode-driver-framework.

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