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    Dovella
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    DCMonkey

    "I develop Web Apps"

    *click*

    (page full of stuff about developing Windows Store Apps using HTML/JS)

    *sigh*

    Actually, all those "Use your skills" buttons just go to Windows Store App marketing pages.

    Should probably just call it the Windows Store App Developer Network

     

     

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    @DCMonkey: Didn't you know desktop app development has been deprecated? Wink

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    spivonious

    I build web apps -> "You're one step away from building Windows Store apps"

     

    ...desperate much?

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    Vaccano

    It gives you a "place to go as a central landing page to find out everything you want to know about developing for Microsoft platforms."

    As long as you develop windows store apps.

    I must say, the "you non-windows-store-developers don't exist" attitude of Microsoft is getting depressing.

    I feel like I am fading into nothingness because MS will not validate my existence.

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    figuerres

    Wow, I recall Brian from back around 2000 when he worked on the SQL server RS stuff....

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , spivonious wrote

    I build web apps -> "You're one step away from building Windows Store apps"

     

    ...desperate much?

    Seems like nothing much has changed. Anyone who sees these moves as anything other than Microsoft pushing newer, additive technologies must be delusional, holding it wrong, trolling, or all of the above.  Perplexed

    IMO all this does is underscore the idea that in Microsoft's eyes desktop development is dead. We should all move on to WinRT development as soon as our customers, infrastructure, etc. allows. You won't see any major improvements to desktop development going forward other than what is shared with WinRT development (.NET, IDE, etc.) WinRT is the new "Windows".

    And let me stress this is not an accusation, merely my opinion.

    If we all believed in unicorns and fairies the world would be a better place.
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    Jim Young

    @DeathByVisualStudio:

     Anyone who sees these moves as anything other than Microsoft pushing newer, additive technologies must be delusional, holding it wrong, trolling, or all of the above. 

    And let me stress this is not an accusation, merely my opinion.

    Really?

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    @Jim Young: The first quote is sarcasm. The second quote is referring to the second paragraph (not sarcasm but opinion)

    If we all believed in unicorns and fairies the world would be a better place.
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    Lizard​Rumsfeld

    Yeesh, the comments are brutal, DeathByVisualStudio is obviously not alone in his impressions folks. 

    Just astounding that MS keeps on doubling down on attempts to minimize the desktop while every indication are that consumers don't care about Metro, and developers are just getting ticked off.  Jesus.

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    JoshRoss

    Someone write me an App that turns my Surface into a Milton Bradley Super Simon.

    -Josh

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    MasterPi

    The site is awful. It's hard to even say it was designed by marketing because none of the pages actually say anything.

    "I design apps" - okay, so let's assume I'm an app designer...

    "Our challenge? Help you push the boundaries of design." - Oh, bullet points about Windows 8 design language. I thought you would be talking about the actual tools I could use as a designer...

    "We speak your language" - But it's not really my language...it's your language that you want me to learn. And seriously, Illustrator, Photoshop, Fireworks? How does that have anything to do with app design?

    "The apps you create will define the future" - What??? Use "sci-fi" movie UI as reference?

     

    The sad thing is, apparently they hired an outside design firm to make this site. It doesn't even look appealing. They should have hired the team that produced the Visual Studio site. Such a beautiful and engaging site...

     

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    magicalclick

    @JoshRoss:

    How about the free Simon 2?

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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    JoshRoss

    @magicalclick: I like that it is rectangular, but there seems to be something wrong with the timing. 

    -Josh

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    magicalclick

    @Dovella:

    nice site, I like its responsive design, quite up-to-date with modern web design.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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    Sven Groot

    The site looks pretty nice, I'll give them that. But it's pretty ridiculous that the most visible set of links on the front page are all about Windows 8 app development (and in fact all give you pretty much identical information slightly rephrased to apply to a particular existing technology).

    The useful bits of the site are all hidden away under the "Development" tab at the top, or the "Dev Centers" at the bottom left. Note that most of those dev centers lead elsewhere: www.asp.net, dev.windowsphone.com, windowsazure.com. It really seems MSDN itself is Windows and Office only.

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    Blue Ink

    Small disappointment: embedded development is not even considered as an option.

    Library content is still there, of course, but it would have been nice to have it mentioned somewhere and make it accessible.

    It's a lost opportunity: I'm seeing quite some interest for Arduino projects in schools around the world, it's a pity the .NET MF isn't promoted a little better.

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    Lizard​Rumsfeld

    Brian responds to the critique:

    http://blogs.msdn.com/b/bharry/archive/2013/08/06/feedback-on-the-refreshed-microsoft-developer-network.aspx

    Not everything the more vitriolic devs wanted to hear obviously, but for someone from MS this is one of the more sincere responses I've seen.

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