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The Surface Pro is a hit!

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    With the Microsoft Store sold out on the 128GB version and lines like this for what's been allocated in the stores it sure looks like Microsoft may have a hit on it's hands. It will be interesting to see what people use it for. If you've followed Paul Therrot's efforts to use it as a desktop replacement and a laptop replacement it hasn't been all rainbows and sunshine. While some say it's neither and instead a different computing metaphor it will be interesting to see what people ultimately do with it. It's kind of like the iPad's initial launch; why do I need this tablet when I already have a laptop and a smartphone. Regardless people answered that dilemma with their wallets and bought them in droves. I don't know if the market has room for another intermediate devices (between a desktop & tablet?) but it will be interesting to see where this goes.

    I also find it funny how the 64GB version is still available in the Microsoft Store. Paying $100 more for double the disk space? It seems like Microsoft set this up for failure from the get go. What were they thinking? That's aside from the fact you have only 30GB or so of free disk space on the 64GB version.

    In any case congrats to Microsoft on their hit.

    If we all believed in unicorns and fairies the world would be a better place.
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    magicalclick

    It is pretty much a mentality that, Surface RT is tablet only, and if they want to have ability to run desktop apps as a backup plan, they can still have that on Surface Pro.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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    wkempf

    , DeathBy​VisualStudio wrote

    I also find it funny how the 64GB version is still available in the Microsoft Store. Paying $100 more for double the disk space? It seems like Microsoft set this up for failure from the get go. What were they thinking? That's aside from the fact you have only 30GB or so of free disk space on the 64GB version.

    The 64GB version isn't something I'd ever be interested in, nor would I be likely to recommend it to anyone, but the ridicule is unfounded. Microsoft isn't offering anything that everyone else offers as well, including Apple (http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/macbook_air?aid=AIC-WWW-NAUS-K2-CONFIGURE-MACBOOKAIR). Why are they not considered to have "set this up for failure from the get go"? There are people who buy these devices and are quite happy with the amount of storage they have.

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    evildictait​or

    30 GB is still a lot if all you want to do is install a few apps, browse the Internet and watch movies and videos streamed from YouTube and Netflix.

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    dentaku

    , evildictait​or wrote

    30 GB is still a lot if all you want to do is install a few apps, browse the Internet and watch movies and videos streamed from YouTube and Netflix.



    That's true, but realistically the reason for getting an Intel based tablet isn't for only those types of tasks. If you just want a consumption device you'd be better off buying the RT or a much cheaper Android tablet which should both have very good battery life.
    People who buy the Surface Pro probably want it to do more than just that so the 128GB model is almost a necessity for them.

    If they fix the problems people are having with getting SD cards to integrate into the OS more like an internal HDD or SSD (which they've promised) then the 64GB model might be OK because you could store all your large videos and photos on a 64GB SD card.

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    PaoloM

    , dentaku wrote
    If they fix the problems people are having with getting SD cards to integrate into the OS more like an internal HDD or SSD (which they've promised) then the 64GB model might be OK because you could store all your large videos and photos on a 64GB SD card.

    Wait, what problems? I put a 32Gb in my RT and it worked flawlessly.

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    wkempf

    , dentaku wrote

    *snip*

    That's true, but realistically the reason for getting an Intel based tablet isn't for only those types of tasks. If you just want a consumption device you'd be better off buying the RT or a much cheaper Android tablet which should both have very good battery life.
    People who buy the Surface Pro probably want it to do more than just that so the 128GB model is almost a necessity for them.

    If they fix the problems people are having with getting SD cards to integrate into the OS more like an internal HDD or SSD (which they've promised) then the 64GB model might be OK because you could store all your large videos and photos on a 64GB SD card.

    Again, there are other PCs with the same amount of storage, and people find uses for them. Put Office on there and a very large number of people would find they have everything they need/want. I think most people will want/need more, but that does NOT mean there's not a market for the 64GB model.

    , PaoloM wrote

    *snip*

    Wait, what problems? I put a 32Gb in my RT and it worked flawlessly.

    It doesn't "integrate" with Libraries (and thus doesn't work with Xbox Music, for instance) without resorting to workarounds that you shouldn't have to use. Doesn't mean it's not useful for lots of things without workarounds, or that the workarounds don't exist for other cases, only that it really should be made to work better.

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    Proton2

    The 64GB are sold out now as well.

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    magicalclick

    @wkempf: this is why you want Pro, it comes with much faster, less battery draining Windows Media Player. And it works with USB and etc so easily.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , Proton2 wrote

    The 64GB are sold out now as well.

    And they're back in stock again... canceled orders?

    Http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-store-us-website-now-sold-out-of-64-gb-surface-pro 

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , wkempf wrote

    *snip*

    The 64GB version isn't something I'd ever be interested in, nor would I be likely to recommend it to anyone, but the ridicule is unfounded. Microsoft isn't offering anything that everyone else offers as well, including Apple (http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/macbook_air?aid=AIC-WWW-NAUS-K2-CONFIGURE-MACBOOKAIR). Why are they not considered to have "set this up for failure from the get go"? There are people who buy these devices and are quite happy with the amount of storage they have.

    So are you saying that you know these disk constrained devices sell well or are you suggesting that it's manufacturers are being benevolent in providing at least something for those who can't scrape together the extra hundred bucks for twice the disk space?

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , wkempf wrote

    *snip*

    Again, there are other PCs with the same amount of storage, and people find uses for them. Put Office on there and a very large number of people would find they have everything they need/want. I think most people will want/need more, but that does NOT mean there's not a market for the 64GB model.

    *snip*

    And after a year's worth of Windows and Office updates where did all of those GBs go? Let's not forget Windows 8 store apps aren't the slimmest of applications. Sounds like a lot of regular hard disk grooming to me. Unless of course they're assuming people will upgrade these devices like iPads every year...

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    elmer

    Taking the Intel 525 SSD as a base (albeit an expensive one) there is $45 difference in MSRP between the 64 and 128 GB versions.

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    Minh

    , DeathBy​VisualStudio wrote

    *snip*

    So are you saying that you know these disk constrained devices sell well or are you suggesting that it's manufacturers are being benevolent in providing at least something for those who can't scrape together the extra hundred bucks for twice the disk space?

    There are disks in those Surfaces?

    No wonder MS is so far behind...

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    brian.​shapiro

    , magicalclick wrote

    It is pretty much a mentality that, Surface RT is tablet only, and if they want to have ability to run desktop apps as a backup plan, they can still have that on Surface Pro.

    I think once desktop apps get compiled for ARM, or WinRT gets ported to the desktop to make cross-platform desktop apps, it will change that.

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    Charles

    How about that boot time? Smiley Very nice!

    @brian.shapiro: What do you mean by porting WinRT to the desktop?

    C

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    brian.​shapiro

    @brian.shapiro: What do you mean by porting WinRT to the desktop?

    C

    Well, if the Desktop is really "here to stay" like Microsoft is saying it is, and its not just a legacy environment, I expect WinRT as an architecture will eventually replace WPF and standard COM development. Desktop apps could then be installed through the Windows Store, etc. 

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    kettch

    @brian.shapiro: Even better than desktop applications being sold through the store, is the idea of desktop applications being updated through system API's. (insert angelic choir/happy dance)

    We could see the end of little services that do nothing but ping for updates and nag. Get back in your hole Acrobat! I'll update when I'm good and ready!

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