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    Ian2

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/07/10/microsoft-will-not-concede-steve-ballmer_n_1661611.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

    ... THIS FAR AND NO FURTHER ...

    So does Steve Ballmer think he is Captain Kirk?*

    * OK, I know, I know.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    Ballmer -- Enthusiastic as always but forgets that just because you say it's true doesn't make it so. IMO the W8 (everywhere) strategy is a repeat of the WP strategy which is a repeat of the Zune strategy. Be a follower, late to market, and try and cash in on the popularity that others have generated for something. How many times are we going to see this strategy implemented before the board finally hand Ballmer the pink slip?

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    cbae

    , DeathByVisualStudio wrote

    Ballmer -- Enthusiastic as always but forgets that just because you say it's true doesn't make it so. IMO the W8 (everywhere) strategy is a repeat of the WP strategy which is a repeat of the Zune strategy. Be a follower, late to market, and try and cash in on the popularity that others have generated for something. How many times are we going to see this strategy implemented before the board finally hand Ballmer the pink slip?

    I don't think what they're doing with Windows 8 is following anybody. You act like Metro on a  desktop computer is not only a stupid idea, but a radically stupid idea. Criticize the concept all you want, but at least have the backbone to give them credit for trying something that's never been done before.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , cbae wrote

    *snip*

    I don't think what they're doing with Windows 8 is following anybody. You act like Metro on a  desktop computer is not only a stupid idea, but a radically stupid idea. Criticize the concept all you want, but at least have the backbone to give them credit for trying something that's never been done before.

    So if I don't give someone credit for trying a new, bad idea then I have no backbone?

    For clarification here's my complete opinion of metro on various hardware.

    • Metro on a tablet - good*
    • Metro + desktop** on a tablet - great
    • Metro + desktop** on a desktop PC - dumb

    * IMO Windows RT tablets will suffer from a lack of apps in comparison to their direct competitor the iPad. This would also be considered the "follower" implementation of W8 IMO and best provides the same pattern as the Zune and WP.

    **minus the incursion of metro on the desktop and other "No Compromise" removal of desktop features

    If we all believed in unicorns and fairies the world would be a better place.
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    magicalclick

    There is no Microsoft TV, but, there are Linux TVs and there are going to be Apple TVs. So, yup, please watch all he likes. When Smart TV takes over, you will see that same old "laughing" followed by "catching up".

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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    cbae

    , DeathByVisualStudio wrote

    *snip*

    So if I don't give someone credit for trying a new, bad idea then I have no backbone?

    No, I'm saying that you should show backbone by refraining from turning every thread into an opportunity to trash Microsoft over Windows 8, especially since your post completely contradicts what you've been complaining about. In this thread, you criticize Microsoft for being a follower, but your complaint about Windows 8 is that they didn't keep the status quo.

    I don't give a rat's * if you * about Microsoft, but please show enough restraint to get your argument straight.

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    elmer

    For clarification here's my complete opinion of metro on various hardware.

    • Metro on a tablet - good*
    • Metro + desktop** on a tablet - great
    • Metro + desktop** on a desktop PC - dumb

    I've said it before, but I reckon... MS *KNOW* the last point is true, but they don't care - it's not a priority.

    They know that people using desktop/laptop hardware are likely to either continue to use Win7 on existing hardware or downgrade any new purchase to Win7. So long as people have downgrade rights (which won't affect Win8 sales figures) then it's not going to make a significant difference to the success/failure of Win8 - which will be judged largely on tablet sales.

    MS have until Win9 to sort out the current desktop/laptop disconnect with Win8.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    @cbae: Squint really hard and you'll see I referred to cases where W8 was "good" and "great". Please show enough restraint to judge me on the full context of what I said rather than just the part that lends to your point.

    @elmer: No doubt about that. "Windows 8 - The I Don't Give a F* About the Desktop Edition". I suspect consumers who choose to buy a new desktop/laptop will be on the loosing end of things because it will ship with W8 and they won't think one way or another until it arrives. What's funny is that the "desktop/laptop disconnect" stems primarily from things they've removed and not a problem metro created. Hence my favorite expression for W8 - a thousand little cuts.

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    cbae

    , DeathByVisualStudio wrote

    @cbae: Squint really hard and you'll see I referred to cases where W8 was "good" and "great". Please show enough restraint to judge me on the full context of what I said rather than just the part that lends to your point.

    You qualified yourself after I called out your claim that Windows 8 was simply more of Microsoft being a follower. Regardless, your evaluation of the appropriateness of the Metro design language on the various form factors has little to do with whether or not Microsoft is being a follower. The fact that they're using the same interface on all of those form factors is precisely why Microsoft isn't being a follower--nobody else as dared to try it. Maybe other companies know better, and Microsoft is too stupid not to recognize this. You can argue that Microsoft is heading in the wrong direction with this, but the one thing that they're not doing is following anybody else down the wrong path. They're on their own right now.

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    figuerres

    , Ian2 wrote

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/07/10/microsoft-will-not-concede-steve-ballmer_n_1661611.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

    ... THIS FAR AND NO FURTHER ...

    So does Steve Ballmer think he is Captain Kirk?*

    * OK, I know, I know.

     

    Wow....

     

    Steve: wake up, go visit the real world.

    MS has been loosing ground for a while and is just not getting it right....

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    Maddus Mattus

    @Ian2:

    Jean Luc! Blow up the damn ship!

    Oh,.. And always be aware when you beam down to the planet with Steve Ballmer, Bill Gates and Scott Guthrie,..

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    Ian2

    , Maddus Mattus wrote

    @Ian2:

    Jean Luc! Blow up the damn ship!

    Oh,.. And always be aware when you beam down to the planet with Steve Ballmer, Bill Gates and Scott Guthrie,..

     

    "I say we take off and nuke Apple from orbit, its the only way to be sure ...

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    contextfree`

    There are no Metro and Desktop, there is only (one) Windows Smiley

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    spivonious

    @contextfree`:There is no Dana, only Zuul?

     

    Thanks to this thread, I've had Picard quotes running through my head all day.

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    Ray7

    , DeathByVisualStudio wrote

    Ballmer -- Enthusiastic as always but forgets that just because you say it's true doesn't make it so. IMO the W8 (everywhere) strategy is a repeat of the WP strategy which is a repeat of the Zune strategy. Be a follower, late to market, and try and cash in on the popularity that others have generated for something. How many times are we going to see this strategy implemented before the board finally hand Ballmer the pink slip?

    He does sound like a man who has run out of ideas. Saying we're going to compete with Apple on every front isn't really a strategy; it's desperation. 

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    cbae

    , Ray7 wrote

    *snip*

    He does sound like a man who has run out of ideas. Saying we're going to compete with Apple on every front isn't really a strategy; it's desperation. 

    Apple has only one front worth pursuing--iOS devices and it consists of 2 products worth pursuing--iPhone and iPad. When you already have dozens more fronts to fight, adding one more is not an act of desperation.

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    Ray7

    , cbae wrote

    *snip*

    Apple has only one front worth pursuing--iOS devices and it consists of 2 products worth pursuing--iPhone and iPad. When you already have dozens more fronts to fight, adding one more is not an act of desperation.

    When you come up with a 'product' launch that is almost a word-for-word copy of something your (dead) counterpart said eighteen months previously, that, I'm afraid, is an act of desperation.

     

     

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    Dr Herbie

    OK, I'm drawling a line:

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    What happens now?

    Herbie

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