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    cbae

    100% consumer-focused and not a shred of evidence that they target the enterprise (unless you scroll down some).

    http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx

     

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    kettch

    @cbae: I think it's been like that for a while. Besides, who actually hits the front page of any site these days?

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    MasterPi

    , kettch wrote

    @cbae: I think it's been like that for a while. Besides, who actually hits the front page of any site these days?

    Specifically, how many businesses would? I feel like the typical person who would want to learn more about Microsoft would be a consumer.

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    elmer

    I'd forgotten they even had a home-page.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    Haven't you heard? Microsoft is a Device & Services company now. Business schmizzness...

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    wastingtime​withforums

    , cbae wrote

    100% consumer-focused and not a shred of evidence that they target the enterprise (unless you scroll down some).

    http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx

    The only thing left are the consumers.

    But it's nice to see that the Apple-envy is alive and kicking:

    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/compare#T1=microsoft-surface-rt

    "iPad vs.  Windows"

    Get the best of work and play with a Windows tablet. Play games, watch your favorite movies, read, and catch up with family and friends. Plus you can get stuff done with Office, do two things at once side-by-side, and access your files anywhere. An iPad just can't do all of that.

    Just when Apple is getting kicked hard by Android in the tablet market:

    http://venturebeat.com/2013/08/05/yet-another-research-firm-says-ipad-is-getting-crushed-by-android-tablets/

    Yet another research firm says Apple is getting crushed by Android tablets

    According to the latest figures from IDC, Apple's tablet market share  fell from 60 percent last year to 32.5 percent this past quarter. Android  tablets, meanwhile, skyrocketed from 38 percent to 63 percent. It's almost as if  the two platforms have completely flipped their market presence in a single  year. (A few weeks ago Strategy Analytics claimed that Android tablets basically  cut  Apple's market share in half.)

    It's almost comforting to see that in our fast paced world one constant will truly never change: Ballmer's Apple envy. Looks like Android will relegate Apple to sub 10% status in record time, and MS won't even notice.

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    spivonious

    When I go there, I get a big ad for the Surface Pro, and then a "For Work" section that mentions Visual Studio, Office 365, and Azure. Looks business-focused to me.

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    Blue Ink

    @wastingtimewithforums: I wouldn't make much of those numbers. There is a lot of rumors about the new iPad line being released in Q4, maybe as early as October; it's reasonable to assume that quite a few of those interested in an iPad would wait a couple of months to get either the latest and greatest or get the current model at a discount.

    , wastingtime​withforums wrote

    *snip*

    The only thing left are the consumers.

    But it's nice to see that the Apple-envy is alive and kicking:

    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/compare#T1=microsoft-surface-rt

    "iPad vs.  Windows"

    I don't think Apple is the real target; if it were, price wouldn't be the most relevant factor. The way I read it is "want an iPad but cannot afford one?" which is not exactly a play against Apple.

    In other words, Microsoft is just being Microsoft: they made their fortunes on the desktop by letting Apple play BMW while they played Ford, and I bet they would be more than happy to replicate that in mobile space. Might work, too, if it weren't for those pesky lime-green puppets...

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    wastingtime​withforums

    , Blue Ink wrote

    @wastingtimewithforums: I wouldn't make much of those numbers. There is a lot of rumors about the new iPad line being released in Q4, maybe as early as October; it's reasonable to assume that quite a few of those interested in an iPad would wait a couple of months to get either the latest and greatest or get the current model at a discount.

    No.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2387473/Apple-loses-ground-Android-3pc-drop-market-share.html

    Apple loses more ground to Google as the iPhone claims just 13 percent of the market  compared to Android's 79 percent

    Google's Android software is continuing to  crush its competition, increasing its global market share to 79.3 percent in the  second quarter from 69.1 percent in the same quarter last year, according to  research firm IDC. 

    Apple's share of the market, meanwhile, slid  from 16.6 percent in the second quarter of last year to 13.2 percent in the most  recent quarter ending in June.

    Apple is getting relegated back to its core: High priced small marketshare niche, with a somewhat bigger base in the USA, but on the way to single digit everywhere else. Usually it was Microsoft who put the genie back into the bottle, this time it was Android. Their Apple-envy blinded them, even though it was pretty obvious: a high price "devices and services" brand isn't going to dominate the market; cheaper OEMs will eat their lunch sooner or later. The combined manufacturing and marketing power of all the OEMs, and the resulting cheaper prices, can't be matched by one single company in the long run.

    , Blue Ink wrote 

    In other words, Microsoft is just being Microsoft: they made their fortunes on the desktop by letting Apple play BMW while they played Ford, and I bet they would be more than happy to replicate that in mobile space. Might work, too, if it weren't for those pesky lime-green puppets...

    Microsoft isn't Microsoft here. Android is becoming the Windows of mobile and beyond, while MS wants to be Apple 2.

    Another example is the trade-in campaign: You can only trade-in iPads, not the increasingly popular Android tablets.

    And they only took the prices down of the Surface because it didn't sell and they have a huge surplus of these things. According to Mary-Jo Foley (usually very reliable), the pricing of the Surface 2 will be the same as for Surface before the price cuts:

    http://www.zdnet.com/microsofts-surface-2-launch-what-to-expect-7000020947/

    According to my source, it sounds like there are no huge price cuts in the works, which will surely disappoint those who've been expecting the so-so reception of first-generation Surfaces to have made Microsoft rethink its Surface pricing.

    The aforementioned source told me that Microsoft is planning to continue to sell its first-generation Surfaces alongside its new Surfaces. The supposed plan is to keep Surface RT pricing at its current level ($349.99 for the 32GB model with no cover included) and introduce the 32GB Surface 2 at $499. A 64 GB Surface 2 will start at $599, the source said.

    The Surface Pro will continue to start at $799. Surface Pro 2 will start at $899 for a 64GB version, according to the aforementioned source. There will be 128 GB, 256 GB and 512 GB models available at $999, $1,299 and $1,699, respectively, according to this source.

    Touch and Type covers are still going to be priced separately, from what I've heard, as will the docking station.

    LOL. What was the quote about insanity again? Yeah, releasing a slightly upgraded tablet with exactly the same pricing and the same feature set like the flopped predecessors will surely cause some insane sales this time..

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    BitFlipper

    Well remember a while ago the whole "Improved MSDN Homepage" saga? And how Brian promised they will fix it because they were rushed for time and didn't get around to making it easy to get to the previous content?

    So they have actually since updated the MSDN homepage. So let's take a looksee... Hmm, I still don't see the "I write real applications" link.

    So yes I would say the transformation is complete. The Apple Envy is strong in this one - enough to cause their downfall and they can't even recognize it.

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    wastingtime​withforums

    , BitFlipper wrote

    Well remember a while ago the whole "Improved MSDN Homepage" saga? And how Brian promised they will fix it because they were rushed for time and didn't get around to making it easy to get to the previous content?

    So they have actually since updated the MSDN homepage. So let's take a looksee... Hmm, I still don't see the "I write real applications" link.

    Well, to be fair, "I build .NET apps" is it.

    http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/dn338450

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    evildictait​or

    , BitFlipper wrote

    So they have actually since updated the MSDN homepage. So let's take a looksee... Hmm, I still don't see the "I write real applications" link.

    Click "Library".

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    Lizard​Rumsfeld

    Whoa - if they really keep the original Surface RT on the market and price the Surface 2 RT back at $499, they are truly delusional.

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    cbae

    , Lizard​Rumsfeld wrote

    Whoa - if they really keep the original Surface RT on the market and price the Surface 2 RT back at $499, they are truly delusional.

    You can't conceive of any feature set of this hypothetical new tablet that would warrant a $499 price tag?

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , evildictait​or wrote

    *snip*

    Click "Library".

    Wow; sounds like you're underscoring the deprecated status of the desktop. Sounds like "Here's our entire library. Good luck with that."

    This is the better answer:

    , wastingtime​withforums wrote

    *snip*

    Well, to be fair, "I build .NET apps" is it.

    http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/dn338450

    If we all believed in unicorns and fairies the world would be a better place.
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    BitFlipper

    , wastingtime​withforums wrote

    *snip*

    Well, to be fair, "I build .NET apps" is it.

    http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/dn338450

    ".NET apps" doesn't sound like desktop applications to me, but yes the link does take you there. I thought "apps" meant crappy toy apps targeted for Metro or mobile while "applications" meant real applications. You know those things that can have more than one window open and allow you to do real work...

    As others have noticed, not very obvious and a clear indication MS thinks they no longer need the enterprise. For their sake I hope they become cool one day and are then able to make billions selling shiny baubles to the masses to make up for throwing their successful cash cow out the window.

     

     

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    wastingtime​withforums

    , BitFlipper wrote

    *snip*

    I thought "apps" meant crappy toy apps targeted for Metro or mobile while "applications" meant real applications. You know those things that can have more than one window open and allow you to do real work... 

    Since "applications" is now a banned word at Microsoft, "apps" means both nowadays.

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    Bass

    It is a nice looking website. I like the general trend on the web towards simpler user interfaces as well.

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