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The writing on the wall

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  • Srikanth_t

    Used to be a "UI Programmer" meant a Windows programmer at least when it comes to native apps. It paid a whole lot of my bills for the past many years. But if the excitement from CES and ofcourse Apple Mania is anything to go by, I think I better rethink my UI side options. On the server side though, I think I will be OK for a while.

     It would be interesting though, to figure out how we have come to this situation. I mean... it's not like this Tablet thingi just fell on our laps only in the last 2 years. I worked on Windows Tablet like 10 years ago at  a Hospital charting system company. So the question is.......is it that infamous "having a taste" thing Steve Jobs talked about that worked against us ? That and the constant obsession of Microsoft internal developers with form rather than function ?

  • W3bbo

    "That and the constant obsession of Microsoft internal developers with form rather than function"

    It's the other way around. Microsoft is not known for high-quality UX design, that's Apple's forte; and that's why Apple's winning in the 'customer satisfaction' department. When was the last time Windows made you addicted to simply playing with the product? I've had my iPhone a while now and I still can't stop myself from idly flicking th home-screen and childishly giggling at it.

  • magicalclick

    I think MS is dragged down by legacy applications and unable to find a way to free from its own shackle. For example, Apple didn't turn OSX into a iPad because they know it will fail as XP Tablet years ago. Apple managed to set new market without the shackle of lagacy support.

    I know there is tons a reason why MS is limited to do many things at this point. But, I think thebigger problem is, MS is directed by business people, not scientists or artists. Even the current Windows tablet is mind boggling. I mean, the UI is simply not build with touch from the ground up, it is Windows from 90s, And the "APPS" for windows are not build with touch in mind as well. Bllmer just wanted to repeat the same problem again.

    Windows Phone 7 is a nice change, but, I fear they only do this because they flopped at WM, not because they wanted to evolve WM. And that's the same problem with Windows. I fear they wouldn't care Windows evolution until it flops just like WM.

     

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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  • USArcher

    , Srikanth_t wrote

    how we have come to this situation.

    Lack of new killer apps. Its because 60% of the time users are browsing the web or running web apps.  High speed mobile internet access is giving consumers the impresson they don't need to have a tremendous amount of local storage or processing power.  With the exception of games there haven't been any new killer / must have consumer apps to leverage the horse power of todays most powerful and expensive processors.  A few years ago, industry folks projected we see 8/16 cores become standard fare.  They never justified for what?  Artificial Intelligence hasn't made its way into Windows in any obvious way.  Microsoft hasn't evolved Speech Recognition or Vision to be core to the Windows experience.  Still I'm hopeful, the industry needs to find an answer to excessive commoditization...its not sustainable.  And I don't think counting on telecom/mobile contracts is a long term answer.  CES should have revealed something about a Windows app store and standardized UI framework appropriate for Slates.

  • magicalclick

    User experience . Something ms failed to PROPERLY innovate . Win95 did a great job, thus they won. But, the rest of the competition catch on or surpassed ms. And sadly ms take forever to catch on.

     

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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  • vesuvius

    My main home PC died a few weeks back, so I am stuck with my old XP machine (until I can be arsed to get it repaired), and boy is that a wonderful operating system. It is a design classic, a masterpiece if you will, so pervasive. It defines modern computing, when all the essential components missing in in 95 came together.

    I use Office 2010 at work, and that is quite lovely, and Visual Studio 2010 is fantastic (except for editing .xaml). Consensus is that WP7 is a winner, with an engaging UI so I don't get what people mean.

    You can get a Macbook, but a high end Sony Vaio or Toshiba Qosmio aren't exactly undesireable.

  • W3bbo

    You can get a Macbook, but a high end Sony Vaio or Toshiba Qosmio aren't exactly undesireable.

    A Sony Vaio with a sleek UI paradigm unique to Sony would be killer, and Sony tried it with their Clie PDAs and it worked alright for them... until Sony realised it wasn't able to properly compete against the then-refreshed Windows Mobile 5.0 and Symbian, which is a shame, because they were nice PDAs and phones.

    As a Vaio owner, I will say I feel Windows isn't "good enough" for the gorgeousness of some of the hardware.

    I say, Microsoft needs to add more features to Windows Professional SKUs (like new visual styles) if only so we can feel more smug about ourselves and look down on Home SKU users. Remember how Windows XP Professional was going to come with the 'Watercolor' theme?

  • Adam​Speight2008

    Is the writing on the wall.

    Steve waz ere!

  • vesuvius

    @W3bbo:I have a Vaio as well, and have been thinking about getting a MacBook after going out NYE and seeing the DJ's with a couple of Macbooks. I don't think software like Ableton looks any better on either OS, but Apple have the benefit of people being confident enough that the software won't crash, mid performance. I have not had a BSOD yet on Windows 7 on several machines.

    I am afraid that a Macbook would just gather dust for me, with Windows more of a workhorse. I need to pop into their shop as I have not been there for a while. Also their highest end Macbooks are entry level as far as most Windows hardware, but they seem to get 10 hours battery life and amazing performance.

  • W3bbo

    , vesuvius wrote

    @W3bbo:I have a Vaio as well, and have been thinking about getting a MacBook after going out NYE and seeing the DJ's with a couple of Macbooks. I don't think software like Ableton looks any better on either OS, but Apple have the benefit of people being confident enough that the software won't crash, mid performance. I have not had a BSOD yet on Windows 7 on several machines.

    I am afraid that a Macbook would just gather dust for me, with Windows more of a workhorse. I need to pop into their shop as I have not been there for a while. Also their highest end Macbooks are entry level as far as most Windows hardware, but they seem to get 10 hours battery life and amazing performance.

    *shrugs* I get 9 hours' battery life on my Vaio, and the battery is replacable, and it's still lighter than a MacBook Pro and with better specs. </brag>

    I decided that I cannot buy a MacBook because I don't think I could live with Apple's keyboards. It's bad enough they use Fn+ArrowKeys for Home/End/PgUpDn but they don't even have Ins/Del keys which, as a code monkey, I find essential. The MBC 17" just doesn't look right when you consider all the empty-space on the body, there's enough room for a full-size numeric keyboard.

  • Sven Groot

    , W3bbo wrote

    When was the last time Windows made you addicted to simply playing with the product?
     

    Windows 7, when I started using that I was just constantly moving my mouse over the taskbar buttons letting the thumbnail windows morph into each other. I still think that looks cool. Smiley

  • magicalclick

    , Sven Groot wrote

    *snip*

    Windows 7, when I started using that I was just constantly moving my mouse over the taskbar buttons letting the thumbnail windows morph into each other. I still think that looks cool. Smiley

    I use Areo Snap every day, but, I didn't play around it though. Expressionless

    And when I use WMP, I use preview play and pause. But, that's not something I play around either.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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  • Bas

    @Sven Groot: same here. Also: the huge wall of album covers in Media Center.

  • PerfectPhase

    , Bas wrote

    @Sven Groot: same here. Also: the huge wall of album covers in Media Center.

    Sometimes I wish you could click through that background, I often see something I've not listened to for ages and have to go and find in in the main media list.

     

  • Ray7

    , Srikanth_t wrote

    Used to be a "UI Programmer" meant a Windows programmer at least when it comes to native apps. It paid a whole lot of my bills for the past many years. But if the excitement from CES and ofcourse Apple Mania is anything to go by, I think I better rethink my UI side options. On the server side though, I think I will be OK for a while.

     It would be interesting though, to figure out how we have come to this situation. I mean... it's not like this Tablet thingi just fell on our laps only in the last 2 years. I worked on Windows Tablet like 10 years ago at  a Hospital charting system company. So the question is.......is it that infamous "having a taste" thing Steve Jobs talked about that worked against us ? That and the constant obsession of Microsoft internal developers with form rather than function ?

    Rather than innovating or competing, Microsoft dedicated itself one hundred per cent to protecting its existing monopoly by attempting to extend it into markets where it was completely unsuitable.

    Apple's approach was different, they fit the tech to the market, rather than trying to convince the market to make do with tech that was a poor fit.

     

  • Ray7

    Double post

     

  • Ian2

     I think Microsoft appreciates potential and works to it - but where they fail is timing.  Jobs then pops up at the right time with an updated product and cleans up.

  • Royal​Schrubber

    , Sven Groot wrote

    *snip*

    Windows 7, when I started using that I was just constantly moving my mouse over the taskbar buttons letting the thumbnail windows morph into each other. I still think that looks cool. Smiley

    Same thing when I first installed Zune Player. It's made with magic.

     

    , W3bbo wrote

    ... that's Apple's forte; and that's why Apple's winning in the 'customer satisfaction' department.

    Although I've never used a single product of Apple, I want to stab myself in the eye whenever I see screenshot of iPhone chat app on Reddit. Why do you have to have speech bubbles in a chat application, why Apple? It's not a comic strip, it feels condescending that they thought their users would require/want an IM dialogue to be represented with speech bubbles.

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