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Utter crap, but it improves

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    wastingtime​withforums

    Wow, the start menu is gone indeed. I knew the rumours, but I really thought the replacement for the orb wouldn't suck. Wrong. It sucks. You need to navigate to far bottom left and pixel-hunt so that it re-appears. Reminds off being stuck in graphical adventures.

    Yay, you can "easily" close metro "apps" now. An improvement. Unfortunately, it involes pixel hunting once again. This one is a mix of 90s graphical adventures and Black & White: You need to "grab" the application by its head and drag it down the drain so that it can disappear. Very apt for Windows 8 so far.

    I mean, who needs an easy way to open up the Metro Menu and close programs, right?!

    The "open file dialog" in Metro is a joke. Just open up the reader app and try to find a document.. You will yearn for the Windows 95 version of it.

    Shutting down the computer is like beating Le Chuck in Monkey Island 2: Find the right voodoo to squelch the monster. Its' just like a labyrinth. Wait, MI2 is too easy.. think Wizardy from the 80s.I must admit, I didn't beat the game and cheated by pressing ctrl alt del.

    But I admit, it's an improvement over the Consumer Preview (hardly a feat). It's way faster, no green eye cancer and with a bit acrobatics, you can even close programs. Too bad someone loved old Sierra/Lucasarts/Sirtech games a bit too much though.

    Given this trend, Win9 could be usable.

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    spivonious

    @wastingtimewithforums: I love the old Sierra/Lucasarts adventure games.

    I haven't used it yet, but the "hot corners" concept seems like a good solution to using a touch-first interface with a mouse. I usually press the windows key on the keyboard to open up the start menu anyway, so this item won't affect me much.

    Closing metro apps...again, without a title bar, there's not much you can except use a gesture. It is a bit clunky with a mouse...has anyone tried Alt-F4?

    I have no comment on the open file dialog. It looks great from the pictures I've seen.

    I'm installing the preview tonight, so I'll have better opinions tomorrow.

     

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    wastingtime​withforums

    , spivonious wrote

    I love the old Sierra/Lucasarts adventure games. 

    Well me too, but not as an OS.

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    AndyC

    @wastingtimewithforums: Moving your mouse into the corner of the screen is hard? What kind of weird setup are you trying it on?

    @spivonious: Yes, ALT-F4 works fine for closing apps.

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    magicalclick

    @AndyC:he is using a mouse pad, I assume. Most notebook uses mouse pad.

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    cbae

    , magicalclick wrote

    @AndyC:he is using a mouse pad, I assume. Most notebook uses mouse pad.

    Most notebooks HAVE touchpads, but not everybody uses them. I always plug a mouse into my notebooks.

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    magicalclick

    , cbae wrote

    *snip*

    Most notebooks HAVE touchpads, but not everybody uses them. I always plug a mouse into my notebooks.

    LOL haha, that's what I mean, touchpad. My poor English. I don't use USB mouse all the time because sometimes, it is really a laptop, on my lap. He is probably doing that on his bed, which many users do that.

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    spivonious

    , cbae wrote

    *snip*

    Most notebooks HAVE touchpads, but not everybody uses them. I always plug a mouse into my notebooks.

    I never do. It's hard to use a mouse on my lap.

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    AndyC

    I've got a touchpad too and it's still not exactly difficult to hit the corner of the screen when I need to. The only way I can imagine it being awkward is if you're only trying it out in a windowed VM that doesn't 'capture' the mouse when you're using it as then overshooting the corner and going onto your 'real' desktop would be an issue. I think that will be something for the VM makers to solve rather than an issue with Windows itself though.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , AndyC wrote

    *snip*

    @spivonious: Yes, ALT-F4 works fine for closing apps.

    Awesome! Keyboard commands for everybody!

    Now really...how many non-nerds know about ALT-F4? And now everyone is going to have to learn it and other keyboard commands to be efficient in W8 without a touchscreen. Just like I said in that other post Andy... Now who is being disingenuous?

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    AndyC

    @DeathByVisualStudio: You don't have to know ALT-F4, your life will be just fine without it. You can close applications purely using the mouse either by doing the touch-oriented drag-from-the-top gesture or by just right-clicking the app in the task switcher and selecting Close.

    Windows 8 is as usable with mouse + keyboard, without learning heaps of shortcuts if you don't want to, as it has always been.

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    AndyC

    @DeathByVisualStudio: You don't have to know ALT-F4, your life will be just fine without it. You can close applications purely using the mouse either by doing the touch-oriented drag-from-the-top gesture or by just right-clicking the app in the task switcher and selecting Close.

    Windows 8 is as usable with mouse + keyboard, without learning heaps of shortcuts if you don't want to, as it has always been.

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    ManipUni

    Windows 8 is either going to be amazing or terrible, depending on if they leave Metro mandatory when it ships. Even watching the latest videos and playing around with it, it is completely unworkable as a Start Menu replacement, I just cannot work that slowly.    

    One single "app" on the screen at any one time and tons of wasted screen real-estate is one of the worst design decisions in Operating System history. I think the logic goes "if it works for the iPad it will work for Windows!"    

    Honestly if Windows 8 ships like that, I'll just buy the new Windows Server instead. Since then you get a normal desktop experience and all of the under-the-hood benefits 8 offers.   

    Damn shame too, as the non-Metro improvements in 8 were frankly impressive. 

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    evildictait​or

    , ManipUni wrote

    Windows 8 is either going to be amazing or terrible, depending on if they leave Metro mandatory when it ships. 

    It's definitely going to be mandatory. It's too inbuilt now to be changed.

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    DCMonkey

    I find it interesting how they trumpet the ease of accessing these hot corner features, yet they ignore the easiest pixel to click; the one under your mouse cursor. 17+ years of training users that right-clicking on various UI objects will bring up a context sensitive menu of commands related to that item right next to you cursor (and in recent versions of Office, a mini toolbar as well) is out the window. Now you get a global toolbar several inches away from you mouse.

    But at least now we get to train users on not one but several non-intuitive mouse click behaviors. I like feeling useful.

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    Bas

    But at least now we get to train users on not one but several non-intuitive mouse click behaviors. I like feeling useful.

    How are they non-intuitive clicks? If you move your cursor to the lower left corner, a miniature of the start screen appears under your cursor. If you move it to the top left, a miniature of the previous app(s) appear. Intuitively, you'd figure that if you click the miniature, you'd go there, and that's exactly what happens.

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    magicalclick

    @Bas:

    It would be great to see the miniature icons like how I can see that funny looking box at right of the Win7 taskbar.

    I am still installing Win8, but, thank you for the Win8 101, because I didn't know I can get something at top-left. I know I can do bottom-left, but, top-left is new to me. So, thank you for the tips.

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    ryanb

    , magicalclick wrote

    @Bas:

    It would be great to see the miniature icons like how I can see that funny looking box at right of the Win7 taskbar.

    I am still installing Win8, but, thank you for the Win8 101, because I didn't know I can get something at top-left. I know I can do bottom-left, but, top-left is new to me. So, thank you for the tips.

    Go watch the Jensen Harris preview video on the main page.  He shows off these tricks.

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