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VC11, Firefox Metro, Win8 SDK, and XP

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    yuhong

    Remember when Visual C++ 2012 refused to support XP? Yep, they later added it in Update 1. But because the Windows division refuse to officially support XP in the Win8 SDK, the Win7 SDK was bundled with Update 1. Firefox Metro needs the Metro stuff in the Win8 SDK, but they still want to support XP. In fact they have since switched back to VC2010. The funny thing that it does work most of the time, but they refuse to officially support it.

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    Proton2

    It was just the free Express versions that only worked with "Metro" and not the desktop.

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    yuhong

    @Proton2: Unrelated to my point, which is about the Win8 SDK.

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    Proton2

    Okay, I see what you say. One had to run 2010 for XP.

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    Proton2

    Now that we've had our memories refreshed, what's your point?

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    yuhong

    It is about the Win8 SDK which Firefox needs for Metro and it lacking XP support still.

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    Proton2

    Okay, well that's like Virtual PC wasn't "officially " supported on whatever version of Windows I was running, yet It ran just fine.

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    evildictait​or

    , yuhong wrote

    It is about the Win8 SDK which Firefox needs for Metro and it lacking XP support still.

    The Windows team is currently working on Windows Blue. That's five major editions clear of Windows XP, and it's been more than a decade since anyone at Microsoft had any reason to touch XP.

    Also XP has long since left general support, and leaves extended support at the end of this year. Why should Microsoft still provide a crutch for you to stay on XP instead of upgrading? At this point if you want to run XP, you're completely on your own - just like how you can still run Windows 3.1 if you want to - but Microsoft isn't going out of its way to patch it or help you write programs for it.

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    yuhong

    @evildictaitor: A decade ago is 2003.

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    ZippyV

    Why would you want XP support for a metro version of Firefox? It can only run on Windows 8 right?

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    evildictait​or

    , yuhong wrote

    @evildictaitor: A decade ago is 2003.

    Windows XP was released October 25, 2001

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    figuerres

    , yuhong wrote

    It is about the Win8 SDK which Firefox needs for Metro and it lacking XP support still.

    so you want the sdk for windows 8 to install and do what on windows xp ?

    it sounds like in a quick google that firefox metro is targeting windows 8 not windows xp.

    are you trying to hack it into working on xp for some reason ?

    you do know that the windows 8 sdk is made for windows 8 development and uses api stuff that is only in windows 8.   so even if you can install it most of it will not work.

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    Dirtbagg

    Don't you miss the old days of Windows for Workgroups 3.11 *sigh*

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    Dirtbagg

    It is like trying to run Windows phone 8 SDK on a machine that is not Windows 8 64 bit.

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    yuhong

    @figuerres: It is to *target* XP, not to host on XP, as with VS2012.

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    yuhong

    @evildictaitor: Vista was not released until 2007.

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    PopeDai

    , yuhong wrote

    @evildictaitor: Vista was not released until 2007.

    2006.

    , Dirtbagg wrote

    Don't you miss the old days of Windows for Workgroups 3.11 *sigh*

    No, because 16-bit programming hurts my brain. I still don't understand how memory addressing worked with near and far pointers.

    I think NT4 in 1996 was the best time to be a developer - the Win32 API was (at the time) well-designed and new, everything was 32-bit and simple, and it had cool boxart to boot.

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    Proton2

    , PopeDai wrote

    *snip*

    2006.

    *snip*

    No, because 16-bit programming hurts my brain. I still don't understand how memory addressing worked with near and far pointers.

    I think NT4 in 1996 was the best time to be a developer - the Win32 API was (at the time) well-designed and new, everything was 32-bit and simple, and it had cool boxart to boot.

     

    It took me days to print out the postscript docs.

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