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Visual Studio Achievements; they're not Xbox live right?

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    RealBboy360

    , eddwo wrote

    It seems like the blub paradox / sapir-whorf hypothesis / dunning-kruger effect still gets in the way of communicating with a lot of people. We probably shouldn't laugh at him but a the same time it would be extremely time consuming to actually provide enough background knowledge/perspective to enable him to understand why we think his current world-view is severely warped. Chances are he wouldn't stick around long enough to understand or believe us anyway.

    I suppose we all live in bubbles that we can't see to a certain extent. I wish there were an easier way of popping them sometimes. Something like the POV gun like in the Hitchhikers film would be good. Or to put it another way, "You don't need to collect more cheevos or myspace friends. You want to go home and rethink your life"

    Oh ok, to the people that say my view of the world is warped.  Well I wake up every morning, look in the mirror and say "YES!!!!"  How many people can say that?  Most of our society is on pills so they won't be depressed.  Unless you're curing cancer or something, being interested in gamerscore or music or sports makes no difference.  Cheevos/Gamerscore will the next big sport in 10 years or so.  And yes I like to brag about my stats because I like to be the alpha male in the group.  It's human nature and I can back it all up anywhere I am by showing people my windows phone.

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    Kental2

    @Dan276:Speaking as someone who enjoys gaming a LOT and sees absolutely nothing ironic about e-sports, and watches Twitch TV regularly, I don't think everyone's saying you're an idiot for liking games.  The problem is you seem to have invested all of your life in achieving a value-less currency (achievements), and you are so passionate about it that it appears to be distorting your view of the world we all live in.  Your comments earlier about impressing the ladies with achievements is testament to that.

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    Fosco

    MySpace and HotOrNot, Really?  I don't think anyone has used either of those sites in 5 years.  I really hope this is an elaborate hoax, because if not this is really sad.

    Sorry pal, but no... Gamerscore will never be important, ever.  Having a high gamer score says nothing good about you, and does you no favors. 

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    mootinator

    I think what Fosco is trying to say is that you should be focusing more on Twitter follows and Facebook friends.

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    cbae

    I think we need to add to the gamer lexicon.

    A person who games simply for the enjoyment of the games themselves should still be called a "gamer".

    A person who games for the purpose of acquiring cheevos (thereby being able to pick up chicks) should be called a:

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    Ironically, this dude in the picture above wasn't exactly known for picking up chicks.

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    blowdart

    , mootinator wrote

    I think what Fosco is trying to say is that you should be focusing more on Twitter follows and Facebook friends.

    Oh gosh no, those are passé. It's all about instagram followers now, or app.net followers for developers.

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    davewill

    @Dan276: Facinating.  You mentioned earlier that in the future you intend to leverage your achievements into money.  That is a good thing, the actual conversion of "work" into tangible capital.  I'm facinated by the comment

    *snip*

    Cheevos/Gamerscore will the next big sport in 10 years or so.

    *snip*

    I honestly can't picture the arena (not necessarily the physical type arena) that grows to encompass this "sport".  Who? What? When? Where? Why?

    The Who ... what age group would you say?

    The What is the Cheevos I guess?

    The When ... over what amount of time do you see this "sport" evolving?  Is this a few years or a multi-generational thing? 10 years

    The Where?

    The Why?

     

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    kettch

    @Dan276:As far as I can figure, having an obscenely high gamer score just tells people that you've spent thousands of dollars and tens of thousands of hours on a number. What kind of message does that send about your level of thrift, productivity, and practicality? It's like spending 250k on a cardboard cutout of a Ferrari.

    I'm terribly interested in seeing the result of putting a Gamerscore on a resume (and not while applying to a gaming company). It should go above the line that says you have a level 200 buffalo in Planet of ConflictOccupation, or whatever it is the kids are playing these days.

    I think you'll find that in many ways, the days of the dungeon-dwelling, pasty IT professional are numbered. We've got a much more rounded industry. I've even found that over the past few years, while I still play video games, the hobbies that I pursue are mostly focused on creating, building and exploring the world around me. I dare say that most of the Niners seem to be the same way. So, it's great that you feel good about yourself, but don't expect everyone to value an integer field quite the same way.

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    blowdart

    BTW how come gamerscore doesn't get shortened when achievements does?

    gacr? mere?

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    RealBboy360

    Well some people do make a living from gamerscore/cheevos.  Not me, I don't play as much as the leaders and I don't have the skill set that the very top people do.  I said earlier, I'm a Renaissance man (Well Rounded), because I do various other activities than gaming.  I do have a calculation on my cheevos site and my phone app that can help with your self worth.

    "Points = (Cheevos * 2) + youtube views + social media fans(myspace, facebook) + (breakdance skill leve(1-10) * 50,000)"

     

    As for Twitter I do have a lot of twitter followers around 150k youtube views.  See I have stats to back things up online.  I could tell you that a couple months ago I was breakdancing in the circle in vegas and Paully D walked by and gave me the thumbs up.  Now I have no proof of that, you would just have to believe me and you can't do that on the internet.  That's why in today's internet age, your stats are so important.

     

    As for the comments about the cheevos leaders... The cheevos leader Stallion83 seems very well rounded to me too.  I don't know him personally, but he said he can bench double his body weight, has a girl friend and hosts the gamerscore popcast.

    Here's one of his random videos that has 279k views:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCeYsY-Q33w

     

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    evildictait​or

    , Dan276 wrote

    I do have a calculation on my cheevos site and my phone app that can help with your self worth.

    Here's a better one:

    Points = (How often you go outside) + (How much recognition you get from your colleagues) + (N * salary) + (M * free time) + (10000 - How much you care about Points)

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    RealBboy360

    , blowdart wrote

    BTW how come gamerscore doesn't get shortened when achievements does?

    gacr? mere?

    Well this is an argument that I've had many times with people in the gamerscore/cheevos community.  Not everyone is on my side on this and it's a bit of a controversy.  

    My Response  on a thread iis:

    "Yes, I understand how that can be confusing and the logical meaning for Cheevos would be the number of Achievements you have, but this is slang. 

    Cheevos is a street word which has no rules, rumored to first be an internal word used in Microsoft.
    It doesn't have to be logic, it just is because that's the way people use it. When I say I have over 50k cheevos, you know what I'm talking about.

    When I say I have 50,000 xbox gamerscore, it doesn't flow right. 1st because it's a lot longer to type xbox gamerscore than cheevos. 2nd gamerscore is a plural with out an s at the end. It sounds so much better when you're talking up your epeen when you have an s at then end of the word you're talking about.
    It's just the way it is and the way people use it."

    If you're interested in a 31 page thread about this topic you can go to the link below.  But save yourself some time and just believe me on this one.  Just go to the urban dictionary.

    http://www.trueachievements.com/forum/viewthread.aspx?threadid=1912655

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    RealBboy360

    , evildictait​or wrote

    *snip*

    If your self worth is determined by cheevos, youtube views and myspace fans, then you probably need to a take a long hard look in the mirror about whether you're wasting your life. Because when you finally realize that you have fewer youtube views than a five year old biting his brother, that myspace is dead and that cheevos are worthless, you'll find it hard to keep going in the morning.

    Points = (How often you go outside) + (How much recognition you get from your colleagues) + (N * salary) + (M * free time) + (10000 - How much you care about Points)

     

    Well you can't prove any of that to people on the internet.  I could tell you my yearly salary, but there's no proof, even if I scanned my W2, you can fake that.

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    evildictait​or

    , Dan276 wrote

    Well you can't prove any of that to people on the internet.

    Why do you care what people on the Internet think about you? Caring about what people think too much is a classic sign of narcissm, and is usually related to depression and need of attention.

    Do something useful with your life. When you're on your death bed do you really want to remember that you spent hours playing Hannah Montana and Visual Studio in order to get points that don't matter to impress people you don't know?

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    davewill

    Is there an underground market for exchanging "cheevos" yet?

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    blowdart

    , evildictait​or wrote

    Do something useful with your life. When you're on your death bed do you really want to remember that you spent hours playing Hannah Montana and Visual Studio in order to get points that don't matter to impress people you don't know?

    There's a Hannah Montana game?!

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    blowdart

    , davewill wrote

    Is there an underground market for exchanging "cheevos" yet?

    Actually there is. You can outsource your playing to China. Really.

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    davewill

    @blowdart: Apparently.  and Dan went through pain to earn from Hannah.  Utterly facinating.  Its all about the "cheevos".  He has definitely proven work is involved in obtaining "cheevos" but how does the accumulation of "cheevos" turn into tangible capital.  Facinating.

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