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Visual Studio Achievements; they're not Xbox live right?

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    Clint

    @Haacked: I'll cut him some slack on that one, now if he doesn't have a perfect score in Disney Sing It: High School Musical 3, I'm with you

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    RealBboy360

    , blowdart wrote

    More seriously a stackoverflow score might be ok on a resume.

    Yes it would, I would list that along with gamerscore and other things.  It's actually something you can look up instead of someone just listing C# expert on their resume.

    The thing that makes cheevos relevant is how many people use it and if it's easy to identify.  Since there is now an ecosystem where the phone, tablet, pc, and console all use these cheevos most people know what it is.  If you have different types of achievements scattered all over the place, it devalues itself in a constant loop.  So if you're in the microsoft environment, there should ONLY be Xbox live achievements.  I don't know the correct process, but can you suggest a support ticket to make these achievements part of the Xbox Live achievements?

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    Duncanma

    @Dan276: Hey, now that the thread is back on topic...

    No, we aren't going to hook these achievements up to the Xbox Live system. If, at some point, the Xbox team decides to make an open sdk for app achievements, and decides to go away from games and open it to anything at all.. then maybe we'll consider it. Until then, we are just a little *fun* silo of achievements on our own. Perhaps we should have just called ourselves VS Badges to avoid the confusion, but we really, really, really didn't think anyone would expect that building a Windows Azure site would add to your gamerscore (note the gamer in there)

    Thanks for playing though!

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    cbae

    Aw, man! Does this mean that all the fun is over now?

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    PaoloM

    Cheevo Unlocked: Response by Duncan.

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    RealBboy360

    @Duncanma:  Good to hear you might consider moving it to the Xbox Live ecosystem.  And maybe they should change the name from Xbox live to something else, because it's more than just xbox.

    Now when (I predict in 3-5 years) the Xbox live team or who controls the achievements contacts you and asks you to transfer those achievements to the Xbox live system, you must be very careful to do it right.

    I guess there would be 2 way to do it.  Erase the current ones and start over, or do a transfer.  I would suggest erasing everyone because of the problems that could come up.

    If you do transfer, here are some things to look out for:

    You don't want people to be able to copy someone's saved file and have all the cheevos pop on the transfer.  I hope you can't do that.

    I also hope you are recording the mili-seconds when you get an achievement.  Xbox live does and it's one of the ways they catch cheaters.  Last year someone with the largest following on TA got caught for cheating which rocked the Xbox live world.  It was due to the mili-second timestamp which I heard were all set to 0 on hers.  I take no stand on this issue.

    Other issues:

    If you have achievements in VS2010 and VS2012, do they both count like xbox games in different regions do?  I would say yes you need to give double cheevos for those.

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    RealBboy360

    Also what are the penalties if you're caught cheating on Visual Studio Achievements?

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    Blue Ink

    , Dan276 wrote

    Also what are the penalties if you're caught cheating on Visual Studio Achievements?

    You get to program in COBOL.

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    kettch

    @Duncanma: I say don't even bother. It's just weird.

    Just because it's a bad idea and you shouldn't do it, doesn't mean you shouldn't continue to hint at it. Dan's slavering is just far too entertaining.

    Achievement Unlocked: This thread deserves popcorn

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    DaveWill2

    *snip*

    No, we aren't going to hook these achievements up to the Xbox Live system.

    *snip*

    Sit back in your recliner

    close your eyes

    relax

    allow the "cheevos" to wash over you

    Smiley

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    Sven Groot

    , blowdart wrote

    *snip*

    Oh lord no. he does actually dev work. In JAVA

    Jon Skeet is the reason I stopped regularly trying to answer questions on Stack Overflow. I mean, what's the point when you know he's going to answer every single question anyway? Wink

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    Clint

    @PaoloM: does that mean we're all in trouble now?  Smiley

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    Clint

    @Dan276: Speaking for the team here, I think we'd love to know how you cheated.

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    RealBboy360

    , Clint wrote

    @Dan276: Speaking for the team here, I think we'd love to know how you cheated.

    Oh no, I haven't cheated.  I'm just wondering what the penalty is?  For example, in xbox live they will erase your cheevos and maybe delete your account.  This happens often and Microsoft monitors this.  

    I noticed there is a leader board for VS Achievements.  If there is no penalty for cheating and/or no one is monitoring the site how do I know that the leaderboard is legit? 

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    cbae

    , Dan276 wrote

    Also what are the penalties if you're caught cheating on Visual Studio Achievements?

    If you're a skilled enough developer, you should be able to rewrite the vsix to give you free cheevos (aka "freevos") without getting caught.

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    Psychlist19​72

    I have a shirt that says "Achievement unlocked: Left the house". If I wear it on one of those days when I'm shut up in the basement all day, does that count as cheating?

    Should I get cheevos for actually leaving the house?

    Should I put them on my resume? But what if I'm wearing that shirt out to the interview, and it's brand new and never worn before? Do I count that before or after I print out my resume? IOW, is a hand-edited cheevo count on my printed resume an ok thing to do? This is all very complicated.

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    cbae

    @Psychlist1972: I wish I had shirt like that. Without one, I feel like such an undercheever.

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    cbae

    Wow! Check this out. This completely cheapens the noble concept of earning cheevos. Good thing it's limited to WoW instead of XBL.

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