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    DCMonkey

    When all you've got is bamboo and palm fronds you make do. MS wasn't about to rework the VS in true "Metro Style", so instead they slap some funky typography on an arbitrary bit of the existing UI and call it "Metro". Be thankful they didn't ALL CAPS the window content. Personally I liked the ALL CAPS pane titles better. The rest of the changes are a good improvement. That shade of gray is much less dreary.

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    evildictait​or

    It still feels stupid to have the menu inconsistent with other applications in Windows.

    "File" has been capital first (originally with an underline), lower-case after ever since the dawn of time. Putting it all in caps just feels wrong.

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    Charles

    NOT SURE WHAT THE ALL CAPS THING IS. I'LL ASK SOMEBODY IN VS TO GET SOME INSIGHTS NEXT TIME I SEE ONE OF THEM WALKING DOWN THE HALLWAY.
    C

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    Blue Ink

    All-caps menus is probably the only solution once you decide to merge the titlebar thus removing all the separators and chrome that keeps the window title well distinct from the menu bar. All the other common solutions (adding white space, changing font size, style or color) are probably worse in this scenario.

    Personal tastes aside (for the record, I think it looks good), I believe it's a terrible idea: localization can expand text significantly and all this capitalization on a very busy menu bar can constitute a serious problem.

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    magicalclick

    WELL, FINALLY MICROSOFT HIRE SOMEONE WHO IS NOT COLOR BLIND. BUT HONESTLY, ALL CAPS IS SO UNCOOL COMPARE TO RAmDoM cApS. mICRosOfT sHOulD bE HIpP aNd usE rANdoM CApS.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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    blowdart

    , Charles wrote

    NOT SURE WHAT THE ALL CAPS THING IS. I'LL ASK SOMEBODY IN VS TO GET SOME INSIGHTS NEXT TIME I SEE ONE OF THEM WALKING DOWN THE HALLWAY.
    C

    I RELABELLED MY CAPS LOCK KEY AS :::METRO:::

     

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    contextfree`

    I would like to point out again that the Windows 8 version of Metro does not use all-caps text (or all-lowercase text) anywhere AFAICT.

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    felix9

    OH MAYBE WE SHOULD WRITE METRO APPS IN "C# METRO" LANGUAGE WITH ALL CAPS KEYWORDS ? VB CAN ALREADY DO THAT, JUST LIKE QUICKBASIC RIGHT ?

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    joechung

    What bothers me more is that this is pretty much the same tired old user interface that debuted in 1995, which was 17 years ago.

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    evildictait​or

    I just thought I'd point out that nowhere in the Metro design guidelines does it ever advocate using all caps for anything:

    http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa974176.aspx#capitalization

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    JoshRoss

    @evildictaitor: The phone design guidelines, not the desktop ones, call for all caps titles.

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    cbae

    that's it. i've had about enough of this nonsense. 

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    brian.​shapiro

    I agree with C yu that the caps help distinguish the title bar text from the menu text and also help it look a bit cleaner because the equal height of the letters give it more visual contrast with the rest of the interface.

    Taste aside, I'm not sure why people would get so irritated about this as a design choice. You know how many websites use uppercase for top-level menu titles? Just look at Channel 9.

    BROWSE FORUMS CODING4FUN EVENTS

    onoz Channel 9 is yelling at us

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    Sven Groot

    It's definitely an improvement. But, like so many others here, I think the menu titles in all caps is stupid.

    I'm also allergic to applications with custom window frames. I hate custom window frames. I rejoiced when Messenger and WMP finally started using normal window frames again. And now Visual Studio of al things is using a custom one? I AM UNHAPPY!

    They should use all caps for error messages. My old Roland E-96 keyboard did that (mainly because its low resolution LCD display couldn't really do lower case). It was always funny that when you hit play without a disk in the drive it would yell at you "INSERT SONG DISK AND PRESS PLAY". Always felt like there was an implied "NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND, YOU BLITHERING IDIOT!" after it.

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    vesuvius

    IF THE VISUAL STUDIO DESIGN TEAM AUCTIONED EVERY COMPLAINT IN THIS THREAD WE WOULD END UP RIGHT BACK WHERE WE STARTED  Crying

     

    edit, MAYBE FEATURE CREEP IS UNAVOIDABLE, AND A MENU OPTION TO HAVE NORMAL CAPS IS THE WAY FORWARD FOR THE DISSENTERS

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , vesuvius wrote

    *snip*

     edit, MAYBE FEATURE CREEP IS UNAVOIDABLE, AND A MENU OPTION TO HAVE NORMAL CAPS IS THE WAY FORWARD FOR THE MAJORITY

    Fixed that for ya.

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    Blue Ink

    , Sven Groot wrote

    ...

    It was always funny that when you hit play without a disk in the drive it would yell at you "INSERT SONG DISK AND PRESS PLAY". Always felt like there was an implied "NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND, YOU BLITHERING IDIOT!" after it.

    They probably observed that most people would be wearing headphones in that case; speaking up was the sensible thing to do.

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