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WHAT is the future of Channel 9? Has Microsoft given up on having a developer community here ?

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    figuerres

    seems like Microsoft has lost interest in this site as a comunity for developers, customers and staff at Microsoft to have discussions.

    this should not be allowed to happen.

    the problems that have been here have all been due to Microsoft not investing in the right way to make this site be what it could be.

    the technology for the forums was not updated and did not have any real moderation system and lost staff who used to help run the site.

    both of the problems can be fixed *IF* Microsoft wants to do it. 

    pushing the forums off to some other site is not going to solve the core issues.  it will only make this web site less interesting then it was.

    go back a few years to when bill hill, rory, scoble and charles were here and this was a totally different place that had some really good forum threads with Micrsoft staff talking about stuff.

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    felix9

    web forums are so last decade :P

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    figuerres

    some kind of reply by someone who works for Microsoft on the C9 team might be of use ?

    or no one wants to ?

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    Ian2

    Out of (genuine) interest; who currently owns Channel 9 on the Microsoft side?

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    figuerres

    Out of (genuine) interest; who currently owns Channel 9 on the Microsoft side?

    Good Question, is this under the developer branch, the marketing branch or what ???

     

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    Ian2

    Out of (genuine) interest; who currently owns Channel 9 on the Microsoft side?

    We have a guy called Ian Moulster at Microsoft UK who has a really good handle on "Microsoft/Enthusiast" relations - surely there must be a US equivalent?

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    cheong

    @Ian2:I think technology evangelist is an official position at Microsoft. So if Microsoft wish, they can find someone to promote discussion of new technologies to be released.

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    Ian2

    I think their role here is subtly different in so much as this is perhaps more about engendering relationships (between MS and customers).

    If we think back - Robert Scoble had this skill and used it to great effect - we were then really lucky to get a techie in Charles Torre who was also able to step up to the plate.  But at the moment it just seems a bit rudderless.  It may be that the reasons behind the site being set up are no longer deemed necessary within Microsoft - which is now much more open (in more than one sense of the word) than it was back in 2004?

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    figuerres

    @Ian2:I think technology evangelist is an official position at Microsoft. So if Microsoft wish, they can find someone to promote discussion of new technologies to be released.

    I have known folks who had been in that role for Microsoft, in the past they were assigned to a region / teritorry and worked from a local Microsoft Office.

    but things have been changing in Microsoft so i am not sure what they are doing now.  

    the Dev Evangelists used to be part of the "MSDN"  group and they used to have funding to have live events, that seems to have gone.

    if anyone has contacts at microsoft they should ask them to ask around....  

    there has to be someone in management who "Owns" this web site and who has to report on how it runs to justify the site.

    we need to know who that is and who they report to.

     

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    SheldonS

    *snip*

    ... the Dev Evangelists used to be part of the "MSDN"  group and they used to have funding to have live events, that seems to have gone.

     

    I have noticed that it seems like the evangelists are not as active as they were a few years ago.  Has Microsoft's concept of the developer evangelist changed from community focused to something more focused on videos and conferences?

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    magicalclick

    the forum is crap technically, but, that's only account for 10% of the problem. 20% of the problem is, lack of identity. But, 70% of the problem is us.

    the members are in its own little social bubbles that won't contribute to other topics outside its own little safe space.

    the treatment toward Dovella was one of the worst I have seen. Eventually I don't see him post anymore.

    our community is exceptionally toxic. It wasn't so much about posting something offensive. It is the mob mentality that bullying people of different opinion around and still feeling rightious for such divisive action.

    it is not MS to blame. Technology is one thing, but, the community is made up of people. And it is us that push new comer away, not MS.

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    figuerres

    the forum is crap technically, but, that's only account for 10% of the problem. 20% of the problem is, lack of identity. But, 70% of the problem is us.

    the members are in its own little social bubbles that won't contribute to other topics outside its own little safe space.

    the treatment toward Dovella was one of the worst I have seen. Eventually I don't see him post anymore.

    our community is exceptionally toxic. It wasn't so much about posting something offensive. It is the mob mentality that bullying people of different opinion around and still feeling rightious for such divisive action.

    it is not MS to blame. Technology is one thing, but, the community is made up of people. And it is us that push new comer away, not MS.

    well i think there is more to the story than that, now i do agree that i and others can be a harsh bunch at times and i am not defending that.

    but the forum here never had any real moderation system, and very little in the way "management" from anyone at all.

    so it turned into a warzone in part due to the lack of control and lack of ownership.

    I think that with better software and a proper moderation role and policy it could be very much better.

    I recall a time when there were some good chats here, they still happen from time to time.

     

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