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Waiting for Windows 9 :-)

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    giovanni

    I am really hoping for a serious refresh of the Desktop UI that is coherent with the modern interface and works seamlessly with modern apps that will replace their ancient counterparts (and a modern cmd box with better resizing and cut and paste!).

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    magicalclick

    I am less ambitious. Just a start screen + start menu + window mode. This can be archived by 3rd party already, but, I do not like to install 3rd party app for this type of core functionalities.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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    SALDRIASS

    Microsoft is believed (but not confirmed) to release a public beta of Windows 9 on September 30, with a full release coming in Q2 of 2015.

    and i would love to see windows mode and maybe cortana ;) in same time i am wondring about the Metro UI 2.0 like they said here

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    Craig_​Matthews

    , giovanni wrote

    ... (and a modern cmd box with better resizing and cut and paste!).

    FYI - https://code.google.com/p/conemu-maximus5/ is pretty nice, I use it all the time now.

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    cbae

    If Microsoft were smart, they'd release the public beta for Windows 9 on September 9 (i.e. 09/09). And the significance of the numerals on that date is only part of the reason to do so. C'mon, Microsoft! Grow a pair and do it! Being able to witness the collective outrage of the tech press would be enough of a reason to do so.

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    MasterPi

    I want them to do something about tech like Ruby not running well on Windows. Basically, it all boils down to devs supporting *nix first and not really caring about optimizing the Windows port of things. It's easy to justify going Mac if all you want to do is RoR dev.

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    cbae

    , MasterPi wrote

    I want them to do something about tech like Ruby not running well on Windows. Basically, it all boils down to devs supporting *nix first and not really caring about optimizing the Windows port of things. It's easy to justify going Mac if all you want to do is RoR dev.

    I started another thread about Microsoft developing platforms for verticals to foster development on Windows. RoR isn't necessarily tied to a vertical, but it certainly can be considered a platform. In recent memory, Microsoft has gotten its hands dirty getting third-party platforms running in Windows and/or Azure (Node.js and Docker come to mind).

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    blowdart

    , MasterPi wrote

    I want them to do something about tech like Ruby not running well on Windows. Basically, it all boils down to devs supporting *nix first and not really caring about optimizing the Windows port of things. It's easy to justify going Mac if all you want to do is RoR dev.

    Yea, you can tell when ports are half hearted efforts because thread switching sucks as the devs are stuck in the awful unix threading model. Which is why IronRuby and IronPython tend to perform better.

    We do have MS Open Tech which helps port open source, and contributes back but some projects just don't want "Microsoft" code in their code base.

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    MasterPi

    , blowdart wrote

    some projects just don't want "Microsoft" code in their code base.

    Yeah, that's the problem. A better solution would be to somehow run *nix stuff natively... People don't want PowerShell, they want bash and csh. Windows is supposed to be this multipurpose OS, but it seems to do everything except *nix stuff, which is what the hackathon community gravitates towards.

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    blowdart

    , MasterPi wrote

    *snip*

    Yeah, that's the problem. A better solution would be to somehow run *nix stuff natively... People don't want PowerShell, they want bash and csh. Windows is supposed to be this multipurpose OS, but it seems to do everything except *nix stuff, which is what the hackathon community gravitates towards.

    Ah. POSIX tried that. It didn't really work :D

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    bondsbw

    @MasterPi:  I don't think the "hackathon community" wants Microsoft.  Even if Microsoft went completely open source, dropped all proprietary software and built Windows on top of Linux, and then fired everyone and gave the trademarks to Linus Torvalds, there are still some who wouldn't touch anything with the name Microsoft on it.

    My opinion, Microsoft needs to concentrate more on developers and IT and build up a new generation on the idea that Microsoft wants to enhance the process of creating good software solutions.  That said, they've done well in the past.  It's just that in more recent history there seems to be a slowing.

    Apple always makes a point to say that they have "over 4000 new APIs" or whatever at each WWDC.  They let developers know they aren't being abandoned.  I understand that Microsoft was super focused on getting WinRT just right and get it out, but it's time to get back to the rest.  It's been a while since we've seen Channel 9 pump out a lot of videos I'm interested in (i.e. things that are not about Azure or Office or Sharepoint, but rather programming languages, applied theory, etc.)... and I think it's because Microsoft hasn't provided enough new content in those areas to warrant as much coverage.

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    MasterPi

    , blowdart wrote

    *snip*

    Ah. POSIX tried that. It didn't really work :D

    Then make it work. :P

    , bondsbw wrote

    I don't think the "hackathon community" wants Microsoft.  

    That might be an overgeneralization. In any population, you're going to have the group of strong supporters/non-supporters and the group who kind of just goes with the flow. Marketing aims to sway that latter group. It's that group which might be more open to the "evil empire" if the argument is convincing enough.

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    bstaples

    @magicalclick:Why not a desktop manager system.  Command prompt-like, Windows 9X like, Windows-XP like, Gnome like, etc . . .?

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    CaRDiaK

    , bondsbw wrote

    @MasterPi

    My opinion, Microsoft needs to concentrate more on developers and IT and build up a new generation on the idea that Microsoft wants to enhance the process of creating good software solutions.  That said, they've done well in the past.  It's just that in more recent history there seems to be a slowing.

    I agree, and also believe this to be Azure. 

    What Id' like to see in Windows 9 is some form of native virtual desktop. Better still something I can connect to an Azure instance. 

    We can only see a short distance ahead, but we can see plenty there that needs to be done.
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    cheong

    , CaRDiaK wrote

    I agree, and also believe this to be Azure. 

    What Id' like to see in Windows 9 is some form of native virtual desktop. Better still something I can connect to an Azure instance. 

    I doubt it.

    Since Snowden's revelation exposed, my ex-company explicitly banned any data movement to cloud (official projects or not). I think it'd take many year for them to remove the ban even if they managed to do so a few years later.

    For now I'd still put my bets on the ground instead of cloud. :P

    Let's hope that Microsoft won't make Win9 have daily features that'd be seriously handicapped if not connected to any form of cloud. If they're doing that, I think it'd become just another OS that they won't use.

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    Ian2

    Thinking of buying a (cheap) Surface 2 - anyone know if an upgrade to Windows 9 RT is in the offing?

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    bondsbw

    9?  Squares?

    Square root of 9 is 3.  Half Life 3 is CONFIRMED!

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