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  • PerfectPhase

    Looks like web matrix was just release

    http://www.microsoft.com/web/webmatrix/

     

  • W3bbo

    Can someone give me some kind of 'executive summary' to explain where WM fits in with Expression Web, VWD, Visual Studio, and ye olde WebMatrix 2003?

    ...and what about the prototyping/scaffolding features in ASP.NET MVC and ASP.NET Dynamic Data?

    What problem does WebMatrix solve, exactly? And why aren't its features available in VWD/VS?

  • felix9

    @W3bbo: it fis in the entry-level / low-end, think 'express express express editon', or Wordpad vs Word, its easy simple and lightweight, with some more feature for easier development like 'packages'.

    The problem it solves is, people can easily start developing PHP/Rails website using pre-packaged LAMP server, and notepad/vi, while most of newcomers think they need the huge and expensive VS monster to start developing ASP.NET, even VWD express is a gigabytes download, plus a Windows Server to install IIS, so most of them start with the easy one, MS want to attract web startups to use ASP.NET or at least, MS tools, then lure them into the MS ecosystem.

  • USArcher

    @PerfectPhase: yeah, i just updated the beta install...looking good.  Scott Gu has a nice breakdown of all the things released today.

  • W3bbo

    , felix9 wrote

    @W3bbo: it fis in the entry-level / low-end, think 'express express express editon', or Wordpad vs Word, its easy simple and lightweight, with some more feature for easier development like 'packages'.

    The problem it solves is, people can easily start developing PHP/Rails website using pre-packaged LAMP server, and notepad/vi, while most of newcomers think they need the huge and expensive VS monster to start developing ASP.NET, even VWD express is a gigabytes download, plus a Windows Server to install IIS, so most of them start with the easy one, MS want to attract web startups to use ASP.NET or at least, MS tools, then lure them into the MS ecosystem.

    Right. But at risk of being labelled an intellectual snob, why are we, as professional developers, interested?

  • Sven Groot

    I don't think professional devs with existing experience in ASP.NET are really the target of WebMatrix.

    Now IIS Express (also released today), that's something that's interesting to me. Smiley

     

  • felix9

    there are a lot of stuff get released today, most of them, except WebMatrix maybe, should be interesting for pros. like MVC3, IISExpress, SQLCE4, but maybe we should really be interested only after VS2010 SP1 ships, with integrated support for SQLCE/IISExpress, that'll be sweet.  Tongue Out

  • W3bbo

    , Sven Groot wrote

    I don't think professional devs with existing experience in ASP.NET are really the target of WebMatrix.

    Now IIS Express (also released today), that's something that's interesting to me. Smiley

     

    I installed IIS Express Beta on my Windows 7 Professional laptop a while ago, but it just ended up confusing me. I don't know how IIS is hosted, where it exists, how it runs, and how it interacts with the 'real' instance of IIS on my computer; things like shared configuration and whatnot.

    For now, I think I'll stick with the IIS and SQL Server running within a VM combined with Remote Debugging.

  • Sven Groot

    , W3bbo wrote

    *snip*

    I installed IIS Express Beta on my Windows 7 Professional laptop a while ago, but it just ended up confusing me. I don't know how IIS is hosted, where it exists, how it runs, and how it interacts with the 'real' instance of IIS on my computer; things like shared configuration and whatnot.
     

    It's completely separate from the real instance of IIS, and until VS2010 SP1 adds support for it, I believe it must be launched from the command line and the debugger manually attached.

  • magicalclick

    LOL, I accidentally installed the newest version without realizing it. I just trying to get back to my project and for some reason it wouldn't compile, so I reinstalled everything.

    I am using Razor syntax and WebMatrix for awhile now, it is easier to code. And it has many helper classes that I find it useful. Still most of my stuff is in C# app_code, so, it is not like I did much with web part of the work.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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  • TommyCarlier

    I just discovered that although WebMatrix is a WPF-application (woohoo for WPF), it's using the Actipro SyntaxEditor (a WinForms-control) as its text-editor. Why didn't they use the WPF-based editor they developed for Visual Studio 2010?

  • magicalclick

    Didn't know it is WPF based for all these times. VS text-editor is probably too feature rich and may scare new comers. But yeah, I much prefer VS editor, but, that's what Web Express is for. I always switch to Web Express for C# codes and debuging.

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  • PerfectPhase

    @TommyCarlier: They proberbly would've had to bring half of VS's infrastructure with it to make it work.

  • PerfectPhase

    , W3bbo wrote

    *snip*

    Right. But at risk of being labelled an intellectual snob, why are we, as professional developers, interested?

    It is very worth while knowing what tools are avaiable.  Say for example one of your support tech needs to do something simple like query a database and write a list of outstanding calls to a web page, what you going to suggest?  Add it to our backlog, we'll get to it in two years.  Here's a copy of VS2010, good luck.  Or here is a simple tool, you can install in 5 that will pretty much guide you through the process and has a lot of template examples?

    Just because your not going to use it, doesn't me you shouldn't know what exists.  Same goes for Lightswitch.

  • TommyCarlier

    @PerfectPhase: I found traces of Expression Web in WebMatrix, which existed before VS2010. That might explain it.

  • vesuvius

    @TommyCarlier:And they started this project a long time ago. Visual studio 2010 would not have been ready (or proven) by then.

    I am working on a WPF application, but the graphs are winforms because they are blazing fast. As yet there are no high performance WPF charts (apart from D3 which has stopped development). In fact in all but 1 WPF application I have worked on they have all been WPF/Winforms hybrids. Sometimes a better control is just that...better.

     

  • Bass

    It's not that bad. It does make it make incredibly easy to test drive a site on your own machine, including complex PHP web apps. I think the ribbon interface is kind of ugly and pointless though.

  • Bas

    I'm wondering how the razor syntax thing is going to work with WordPress and other non-ASP.NET engines. Is it some sort of layer that generates PHP or something?

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