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What I hate about being a Southerner

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  • JohnAskew

    http://thedmonline.com/article/students-clash-after-election

    Hundreds of Ole Miss students exchanged racial epithets and violent,politicized chants in response to the announcement of the re-election of President Barack Obama.

    What began as an argument around midnight quickly spread across campus.

    UPD responded to a fire alarm being pulled in Brown Hall as crowds gathered near Kincannon and Stockard.

    Just as all seemed to calm down, those in disagreement moved to the Grove.

    UPD cleared the Grove on the grounds that it closes at midnight. Displeased, crowds continued to grow and returned to Kincannon.

    UPD responded and forcibly dispersed the crowd.

    "Disperse or go to jail," UPD officers said.

    For me, the greatest political irony in the world is the Democratic Party, the party of the southern states civil war.

    The Democrats have done a total 180 degree turn and is not the racist party of the former U.S. slave states.

    This flip-flop occurred after Martin Luther King Jr. graced us with his message. Hillary Rodham Clinton, from a connected Republican Chicago family, became a Democrat. So in this weird twist, I can keep my ancestors' political association without being a 'good ol' boy' white southern racist.

    I will always laugh that the southern white male bigot votes for the political party that was formed to go to war with the south and ended up destroying it quite thoroughly. Irony++. Republicans were who were chanting racist vitriole in Mississippi, no Democrats were there, they were being human.

    The Republican Party is the standing white male southern racist party. Be proud of that or change.

  • ScanIAm

    @JohnAskew:The parties switched over in the last 100 years or so. 

    The folks who fought for seccession (and slavery) are the same folks who populate the sourthern republicans.  They just have a different team name and jersey color.

  • DeathBy​VisualStudio

    What's sad is that these Republican states are also the biggest welfare states in the country. They stand by their race & faith, wrap it all up in the flag & guns, and eat what the Republican party (and Fox News) spews like it was candy. I know this is an unfair stereotype because there are some good people in that part of the country. However it's one that needs to be corrected if we're ever going to have a more united nation rather than one that is so polarized and divided by folks like the Tea Party.

    If we all believed in unicorns and fairies the world would be a better place.
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  • spivonious

    I would argue that neither major party today would fit with the Civil War era Democrats. Neither is really for states' rights. Libertarian Party would probably be the best fit.

  • ScanIAm

    , spivonious wrote

    I would argue that neither major party today would fit with the Civil War era Democrats. Neither is really for states' rights. Libertarian Party would probably be the best fit.

    You are probably right from the states vs. federal point of view, but that whole economic prosperity through people ownership thing can't be one of the Libertarian ideals, can it?

  • JohnAskew

    http://www.mercurynews.com/presidentelect/ci_21964265/dead-pig-romney-tee-left-outside-southern-california?source=most_viewed

    MANHATTAN BEACH -- Police in Southern California say someone left a dead pig in a Mitt Romney T-shirt outside a Republican campaign office.

    Manhattan Beach police say the pig carcass clad in a blue Romney T-shirt was discovered on the doorstep of the office on Thursday morning.

    Witness Andy Gaeta told KABC-TV he thought the body was a dead human when he saw police approach it, but then realized it was a pig, most likely from a butcher shop, with barbed wire around its head.

    Animal control officers first put the pig in a trash bin, then returned and removed the bin as evidence in an investigation of illegal dumping of an animal carcass.

    Police tell KABC they have no evidence of any other crime, and no note was left behind.

    That's just pathetic. Hooligans in the parking lot after the game starting fights. Bad behavior from somewhere other than the South - oiy vey.

  • SheldonS

    , ScanIAm wrote

    @JohnAskew:The parties switched over in the last 100 years or so. 

    The folks who fought for seccession (and slavery) are the same folks who populate the sourthern republicans.  They just have a different team name and jersey color.

     

    I don't normally get into political discussions but I felt I had to correct this one.  It is actually the Republican party that fought for civil rights and to end slavery.

  • spivonious

    , ScanIAm wrote

    *snip*

    You are probably right from the states vs. federal point of view, but that whole economic prosperity through people ownership thing can't be one of the Libertarian ideals, can it?

    lol, exactly. But if you believed that slaves were property and not people (as some Southerners did back then), then you'd protest the government telling you what to do with that property. Basic Libertarian idea is "I can do what I want as long it's not hurting anyone else". Of course, determining whether it's hurting anyone else or not is sometimes very difficult.

  • JohnAskew

    , SheldonS wrote

    *snip*

     

    I don't normally get into political discussions but I felt I had to correct this one.  It is actually the Republican party that fought for civil rights and to end slavery.

    Sheldon, read the initial post. It is exactly what you have reiterated. Oh the irony!

    Compare then and now, see it as a wholesale trade of cultures between parties in the 1960s.

  • DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , SheldonS wrote

    *snip* 

    I don't normally get into political discussions but I felt I had to correct this one.  It is actually the Republican party that fought for civil rights and to end slavery.

    Surprisingly true. Here's an interesting article that covers that in detail. From the article it's clear both Republicans and Democrats were pushing for civil rights but the Democrats from the south were not. I suppose if Republicans were in power in the south at the time you'd see the same resistance. Bottom line: it doesn't matter what party is in power in the south -- they still live up to the racist-faith-guns-flag stereotype.

  • JohnAskew

    It is not easy. But it is disappointing.

     

  • ScanIAm

    , SheldonS wrote

    *snip*

     I don't normally get into political discussions but I felt I had to correct this one.  It is actually the Republican party that fought for civil rights and to end slavery.

    Reread what I wrote.  I said exactly that. 

    What I am _also_ saying is that the attitudes of the people who make up the southern republicans TODAY would be the same attitudes of people you'd find in the southern democrats 150 YEARS AGO.

     

  • Proton2

    @DeathByVisualStudio: You mention Fox. Are you aware that scientific research has shown that Fox has the most balanced reporting of all the major networks? They are just slightly left of center in their reporting overall.

  • cbae

    , Proton2 wrote

    @DeathByVisualStudio: You mention Fox. Are you aware that scientific research has shown that Fox has the most balanced reporting of all the major networks? They are just slightly left of center in their reporting overall.

    "Fox News" and "scientific research" don't belong in the same sentence unless they're accompanied by the word "denial".

    Thanks for the laugh though.

  • JoshRoss

    It really doesn't matter where you live, there are mindless people in every town. This is especially true if there is a college with a football team in it.

    As for infotainment, some people like The Onion, others like Fox News. Personally, I think The Onion does a better job at presenting the facts.

    -Josh

  • Proton2

    vote breakdown

  • Proton2

    Note, I have never watched Fox news. It's not available where I live.

    "Critics have been known to complain about the "Fair & Balanced" slogan.  Former President Bill Clinton exploded at Fox News Sunday anchor Chris Wallace in September of 2006, accusing him of "a nice little conservative hit job" after being lightly pressed by Wallace about his record on fighting Al Qaeda. Democratic politicians and advocates have relentlessly attacked the cable network, sometimes accusing it of being a Republican propaganda mill.  Former Vice-President and environmentalist Al Gore has likened Fox to a right-wing "fifth column."  Groups, such as MoveOn.org, funded a classic schlockumentary entitled Outfoxed, which purports to expose the channel's 'nefarious Republican agenda'.  Some have referred to FOX News as "the propaganda arm of the Republican Party" or "Faux News." In a grandstanding gesture of political theater the group unsuccessfully petitioned the Federal Trade Commission to stop Fox's from using its slogan as "deceptive advertising". It was unanimously rejected. [5] Fox News spokesman Rob Zimmerman told today's (Tuesday) Wall Street Journal: "If they can attack Fox News to this extreme, then all news organizations are at risk to be targeted by similar attacks. ... It's best to ignore nuts." "

    http://www.conservapedia.com/Fox_News_Channel

  • Dr Herbie

    @Proton2: Conservapedia?  Seriously?  On their front page there are links to creationist pseudo-science, articles about how atheists are wrong, and conspiracy theories about how the election was rigged.  "A Trustworthy Encyclopedia"? I think not. You should try to find more balanced (politically and mentally) sources.

    Herbie

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