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    cheong

    , Kental2 wrote

    Honestly, as much as I abhor Java, I am rather stunned by Apple's decision.  

    No need to be stunned. This is not the first time they done that, and I'm convinced this will not be the last time. (Thinking how that manage AppStore)

    And business that develop on Apple platforms are used to sudden sharp change to development environment. (Thinking their decision to go from MacOS to MaxOSX, then from PowerPC to x86 CPU architecture.) Seems things will be in order again soon enough.

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    ScottWelker

    , evildictait​or wrote

    *snip*

    Disabling people's software should only be done by consent of the user. Remotely crippling someone's machine under the guise of a security... *snip*

    , GoddersUK wrote

    *snip*

    If I were an Apple user right now I'd be worried that anyone (Apple included) can remotely mess with my machine without my express consent. That's scary as anything.

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    Sorry to beat the same old drum but, this highlights why I steer clear of Apple and, why I am troubled by others apparent desire to emulate them... I'm just say'n.

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    Kental2

    @cheong: I hate to be  "that guy," and this is spilling over from another thread, but can you imagine the fallout if Microsoft had done this?  It'd probably be in the headlines: "Microsoft disables Java on personal computers; too much power?"  I wish people (and I'm not including you in this) wouldn't just say "Oh, that's just Apple, those silly guys!  Always good for a laugh!"  This is really aggravating stuff in my opinion.

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    Sven Groot

    Screw businesses, what about people who play Minecraft? Wink

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    cheong

    @Kental2:Nonono... I mean if you decide to do software development business with Apple's platforms, you have to get used to sudden changes.

    That's an important part of decision. When my friends invited me to join their army to do some "gold rush" to iPhone Apps market years ago, this is the major consideration that makes me think that probably won't worth the effort.

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    evildictait​or

    @cheong: That might have been a wise decision.

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    brich

    For Mac users, it is trivial to download the Java JRE and plugin, and simple as pie to enable or disable Java, I've done this in about 30 seconds on multiple Macs....unlike the piece of sh*t implementation we deal with on Win 7 enterprise at the office where our payroll partner is about 3 generations behind on their Java config, so our systems are forced to use an older version for 'compatibility' reasons.....what a joke. There is a bunch of tribal wisdom in this thread that is just dark humor, if you catch my drift.

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    evildictait​or

    , brich wrote

    For Mac users, it is trivial to download the Java JRE and plugin, and simple as pie to enable or disable Java, I've done this in about 30 seconds on multiple Macs....unlike the piece of sh*t implementation we deal with on Win 7 enterprise at the office where our payroll partner is about 3 generations behind on their Java config, so our systems are forced to use an older version for 'compatibility' reasons.....what a joke. There is a bunch of tribal wisdom in this thread that is just dark humor, if you catch my drift.

    On your home Windows7 machine it's also trivial to download the Java JRE and plugin and as simple as pie to enable or disable Java.

    What you're talking about isn't a problem with Windows7, but rather a problem with your payroll partner.

    This discussion is not whether Java is easy to use, install and upgrade, but rather whether it is acceptable to remotely kill your payroll partner without asking whether they need that Java first.

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    JoshRoss

    , JohnAskew wrote

    I cannot believe this. What a pack of amateurs.

    Anyone care to explain how this is ok with anything? How many businesses are out of business today from this flippant unprofessionalism?

    You would think that the people who provide Java would be more professional and create software that wasn't a menace to society. I totally agree.

    -Josh

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    evildictait​or

    , JoshRoss wrote

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    You would think that the people who provide Java would be more professional and create software that wasn't a menace to society. I totally agree.

    -Josh

    ++. QFT.

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    brich

    , evildictait​or wrote

    *snip*

    On your home Windows7 machine it's also trivial to download the Java JRE and plugin and as simple as pie to enable or disable Java.

    What you're talking about isn't a problem with Windows7, but rather a problem with your payroll partner.

    This discussion is not whether Java is easy to use, install and upgrade, but rather whether it is acceptable to remotely kill your payroll partner without asking whether they need that Java first.

     

    I think it is more about making an intelligent strategic decision to deep-six Java, period; and move past the 1990s.

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    ZippyV

    From the Twitter blogpost:

    We also echo the advisory from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security and security experts to encourage users to disable Java on their computers in their browsers. For instructions on how to disable Java, read this recent Slate article.

     

    Something tells me Java malware infected pc's were used to attack Twitter's infrastructure.

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    evildictait​or

    , brich wrote

    I think it is more about making an intelligent strategic decision to deep-six Java, period; and move past the 1990s.

    It's definitely a good idea for your payroll partners to move past Java and into the 21st Century, but that's a decision that your payroll partners should be making on their own terms. It's not for Apple to make that decision for them.

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    Bass

    Wow something bad about Apple and Java on Channel9, in one neat post. It's almost like a feeding frenzy.

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    evildictait​or

    , Bass wrote

    Wow something bad about Apple and Java on Channel9, in one neat post. It's almost like a feeding frenzy.

    Are you worried that C9 threads are too heavilly biased in favour of Microsoft products?

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    Bass

    I'd be interested in seeing more positive posts about Microsoft products, instead of negative posts about everything.

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    brich

    , evildictait​or wrote

    *snip*

    It's definitely a good idea for your payroll partners to move past Java and into the 21st Century, but that's a decision that your payroll partners should be making on their own terms. It's not for Apple to make that decision for them.

    Uh....they don't interface with Apple in our enterprise....the FUBAR is with the Java implementation they require for our thousands of Win 7 Enterprise installs.

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