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What's the point of the Surface Pro?

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    evildictait​or

    , warren wrote

    *snip*

    That's my plan, too.  It sounds like Intel has made some great progress lately in super low-power x86 chips recently so by the end of 2013 I'd expect to see a second-generation Surface Pro that uses a lot less power.  Plus the Windows App Store will be a lot more filled out by then.

    It's gonna be fun to see people's confused reactions when they compare how many hours of Netflix you can watch on a Pro versus RT tablet (hint: x86 wins power hands down for video).

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    Retro​Recursion

    @evildictaitor: An i5 beats an ARM chip in battery life when it comes to watching Netflix?

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    evildictait​or

    , Visible = False wrote

    @evildictaitor: An i5 beats an ARM chip in battery life when it comes to watching Netflix?

    Do the test when it comes out Smiley. It certainly used to.

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    Retro​Recursion

    @evildictaitor: Where did you hear that it "used to"? Microsoft has already indicated 50% less battery life in the Surface Pro even though it has a 30% larger battery that the RT.

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    evildictait​or

    , Visible = False wrote

    @evildictaitor: Where did you hear that it "used to"? Microsoft has already indicated 50% less battery life in the Surface Pro even though it has a 30% larger battery that the RT.

    I heard* that for encrypted video playback (i.e. DRM) the Intel GPU/i5s were outperforming Nvidia/ARM tablets by a full hour of full-screen playback in terms of battery life. That was a long while ago (like 18 months ago), so it might have changed since then.

    For normal computing the i5 will obviously lose out - so you'll have less time with your Office 2013 on Pro than on RT, but for Netflix (which is DRM fullscreen video playback) you might see it swing the other way.

    * a long time ago in a galaxy far far away. Terms and conditions apply. Not official Microsoft anything.

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    cbae

    Microsoft should change its name to "Micro$oft" for real to give the middle finger to all of the *-hats that continue to spell it that way and because it's now cool to use dollar signs in your name. Just ask Ke$ha.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    @cbae: I would suggest they go all the way with "Micro$haft" but we all know they are incapable of exceeding peoples expectations.  Big Smile

    If we all believed in unicorns and fairies the world would be a better place.
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    warren

    It's gonna be fun to see people's confused reactions when they compare how many hours of Netflix you can watch on a Pro versus RT tablet (hint: x86 wins power hands down for video).

    I'm not disagreeing with you on the battery life concerns, but this isn't really the target usage for Surface Pro, is it?  Watching that much Netflix in one go usually means you're at home, so you can run a power cable.  No sense in wearing down the battery for no reason beyond a very minor bit of inconvenience.

     

     

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    evildictait​or

    , warren wrote

    *snip*

    I'm not disagreeing with you on the battery life concerns, but this isn't really the target usage for Surface Pro, is it?  Watching that much Netflix in one go usually means you're at home, so you can run a power cable.  No sense in wearing down the battery for no reason beyond a very minor bit of inconvenience.

    Netflix was a bad example because it requires a good quality Internet conenction - but running hours lots of DRMed videos in one sitting without a power cord is quite a common thing to want to do, e.g. for sitting on a plane flight.

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    CaRDiaK

    Although I've saved all of xmas to get a pro come release.

    Discussions like this and rumor's from MS_Nerd, I will admit have me thinking otherwise.

    Combine that with the post xmas rush, everyone and I mean everyone around my area were swarming round the tablet stands. Not interested in PC's or camera's anymore. The people want tablets... and you can't see ms anywhere, except Jon Lewis...

    I really REALLY want a pro... but as the days tick by I convince myself less.. already starting to see that people aren't as interested in this version as to what could be "next"... I know it's impossible to chase the tech dragon but, it ain't even shipped yet!

    We can only see a short distance ahead, but we can see plenty there that needs to be done.
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    dentaku

    , CaRDiaK wrote

    Although I've saved all of xmas to get a pro come release.

    Discussions like this and rumor's from MS_Nerd, I will admit have me thinking otherwise.

    Combine that with the post xmas rush, everyone and I mean everyone around my area were swarming round the tablet stands. Not interested in PC's or camera's anymore. The people want tablets... and you can't see ms anywhere, except Jon Lewis...

    I really REALLY want a pro... but as the days tick by I convince myself less.. already starting to see that people aren't as interested in this version as to what could be "next"... I know it's impossible to chase the tech dragon but, it ain't even shipped yet!



    I know what you mean. There will always be better more efficient stuff in the future so you can't hold off on buying something because there's new hardware that was announced to be coming out in 6 months.
    Intel just revealed some 7 watt (on average) 13 watt TDP CPUs for ultrabooks and x86 tablets but is it worth waiting or do you buy now? Do you wait for the even better Haswell processors to come out then wait some more for the products that use them?
    It's never ending Smiley

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    Dr Herbie

    @CaRDiaK: It's 'The Nerd's Curse'.  It's always the same when I need to buy new hardware and it's just a matter of forcing yourself to accept what's available now, when you need it and not what might or might not be available in three month's time.

    I bought a Surface RT and it's really nice! Smiley

    Herbie

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    MikeInOhio

    "I really REALLY want a pro... but as the days tick by I convince myself less.. already starting to see that people aren't as interested in this version as to what could be "next"... I know it's impossible to chase the tech dragon but, it ain't even shipped yet!"

    It sounds like you need to build a "device update pipeline". Get a pro and use it until VNext comes out and either gift or sell (eBay?) the "old" tablet to the next person in your chain. If VNext doesn't come out too quickly, you should be able to pull the value you need from the original purchase.

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    elmer

    FWIW:

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    dentaku

    @elmer:Quite interesting.

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    Sven Groot

    , MikeInOhio wrote

    It sounds like you need to build a "device update pipeline". Get a pro and use it until VNext comes out and either gift or sell (eBay?) the "old" tablet to the next person in your chain. If VNext doesn't come out too quickly, you should be able to pull the value you need from the original purchase.

    This may work for cars, but I think consumer electronics generally devalue too quickly for that not to waste a lot of money.

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