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Why Microsoft Needs Musicians

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  • dentaku

    Microsoft needs to make sure developers have access to all the same stuff they already have when making desktop apps when it comes to MIDI and audio in Win8 Store apps (which they currently don't).
    http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2012/11/01/why-microsoft-needs-musicians/

    By the way, Pete Brown did a video with Jordan Rudess a while ago showing off his Win8 app


    Professional musicians and other creative types using your stuff is great free advertising.

  • Jim Young

    @dentaku:Thanks! That is so cool. I agree, if Windows 8 can piqué the interest of musicians with incredible instruments like that, than that would be a huge win.

  • Ian2

    Seconded

  • dentaku

    We have yet to see anything like this running on WindowsRT though. That giant Lenvo is a powerful X86 machine.

  • dentaku

    @Jim Young: By the way, that MIDI controller he has under the big touchscreen Lenovo is an Axis-64 http://www.c-thru-music.com/cgi/?page=prod_axis-64
    I'd love to build a touchscreen version of that for Win8 similar to this iOS app that sends out MIDI wirelessly.

  • Jim Young

    , dentaku wrote

    We have yet to see anything like this running on WindowsRT though. That giant Lenvo is a powerful X86 machine.

    Watch the video of Redress performing the intro to Build. At about 15:00 he stops to talk about his software and he plays the same instrument on a Surface.

  • dentaku

    I did notice that but I wonder if that was Surface Pro? If it is IS a Surface RT than that's great because we know it's possible to create a polyphonic instrument with usable latency.


    , Jim Young wrote

    *snip*

    Watch the video of Redress performing the intro to Build. At about 15:00 he stops to talk about his software and he plays the same instrument on a Surface.

  • spivonious

    @Jim Young: Windows 8 needs some ProTools exclusive agreement or something and better WASAPI support from professional audio hardware before it will really be accepted.

  • dentaku

    ProTools is pretty much used by people who have been using it for years and don't want or have any reason to use anything else because they're happy with it and have invested in lots of expensive hardware to use it. New people are using Ableton Live and Logic more.

    It WOULD be great if Ableton Live 9, Bitwig (if it ever comes out) and Reason would start supporting WASAPI but just having access to ASIO in modern apps would be nice.
    There's also the problem with letting modern apps access VSTs too along with the decent support for MIDI I always talk about.

    , spivonious wrote

    @Jim Young: Windows 8 needs some ProTools exclusive agreement or something and better WASAPI support from professional audio hardware before it will really be accepted.

  • Jim Young

    , dentaku wrote

    I did notice that but I wonder if that was Surface Pro? If it is IS a Surface RT than that's great because we know it's possible to create a polyphonic instrument with usable latency.

     

    That was an RT. Look at how thin it is, plus no one has shown a Surface Pro in the wild since the initial annoucement this summer.

  • Jim Young

    , spivonious wrote

    @Jim Young: Windows 8 needs some ProTools exclusive agreement or something and better WASAPI support from professional audio hardware before it will really be accepted.

    I don't see why. All the major players have good ASIO drivers that will work just fine with Windows 8. Cubase, Pro Tools, Reason, all work fine under Windows 7 and there is no reason they will not under 8. WASAPI is an application API, right?

  • spivonious

    @Jim Young: I was thinking more along the line of a modern UI app from ProTools, since that seems to be the DAW that most people know about.

    A multi-touch fader interface would be fantastic.

    As far as WASAPI, I just want to see more devices supporting it. Smiley

  • contextfree`

    @dentaku: I agree. Note though that the new low-level APIs for multitouch in Windows 8 are also available to desktop apps so you can do something that way.

  • dentaku

    Yup, that's something that makes a device like the Surface Pro and other X86 devices so great.
    We already have the Smithson Martin Emulator Modular that's designed for touch interfaces but it's a regular Windows application. It also has the added benefit of having access to all the standard Windows MIDI stuff that modern Win8 apps don't seem to have.
    It doesn't do audio so it doesn't care about WASAPI or ASIO but if it did it would have access to ASIO because it's a regular desktop app. 

    , contextfree` wrote

    @dentaku: I agree. Note though that the new low-level APIs for multitouch in Windows 8 are also available to desktop apps so you can do something that way.

  • OrigamiCar

    @Jim Young: Hi Jim, actually, the guy in front of me in the line for the build keynote somehow had a surface pro (along with a surface and another W8 tablet) and was showing it off to the people around him. He wasn't a Microsoft employee, but maybe was a partner or someone working on some sanctioned software for surface or something.
    It looked pretty nice, the pen functionality was very smooth. I will definitely be getting one!

    https://skydrive.live.com/#cid=56314803E361F84F&id=56314803E361F84F%213563

  • dentaku

    I've never owned a laptop or ultrabook or tablet or phone but I'm quite tempted to get a Surface Pro with a TouchCover when it comes out if it turns out to be the best X86 portable Win8 device AND it works well with ASIO4ALL.


    , OrigamiCar wrote

    @Jim Young: Hi Jim, actually, the guy in front of me in the line for the build keynote somehow had a surface pro (along with a surface and another W8 tablet) and was showing it off to the people around him. He wasn't a Microsoft employee, but maybe was a partner or someone working on some sanctioned software for surface or something.
    It looked pretty nice, the pen functionality was very smooth. I will definitely be getting one!

    https://skydrive.live.com/#cid=56314803E361F84F&id=56314803E361F84F%213563

  • spivonious

    , OrigamiCar wrote

    @Jim Young: Hi Jim, actually, the guy in front of me in the line for the build keynote somehow had a surface pro (along with a surface and another W8 tablet) and was showing it off to the people around him. He wasn't a Microsoft employee, but maybe was a partner or someone working on some sanctioned software for surface or something.
    It looked pretty nice, the pen functionality was very smooth. I will definitely be getting one!

    https://skydrive.live.com/#cid=56314803E361F84F&id=56314803E361F84F%213563

    Off topic, but did it have a fan?

  • JohnAskew

    , spivonious wrote

    *snip*

    Off topic, but did it have a fan?

    For pun-ish-ment, I'll say OrigamiCar is a fan...

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