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Why does IE10 break Cleartype for us Desktop users???

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    dentaku

    I use IE. I've never had a problem with IE but I just installed Chrome because the font smoothing in Win8 IE10 makes my eyes water.

    I know Cleartype doesn't look good when you turn an LCD in portrait mode but I'M NOT USING A TABLET.

    MS really needs to give us an option to let IE10 obey our Cleartype preferences!

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    intelman

    Microsoft should take a long hard look on how font rendering is done. I find in general Windows lacking in this department. Devices like the Retina I devices and most android phones have great fonts. I am not sure if this is due to the DPI or what.

    Cleartype never really has worked out for me ;(

    I think very good clean typography is essential to a device. The eye to screen relationship is very important.

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    JoshRoss

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    dentaku

    @JoshRoss:The thing is Cleartype is quite an amazing technology and helps allot of people. Not giving people the option to use it in IE10 is obviously wrong.

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    CSMR2

    @dentaku:

    I am not getting problems with IE10 font rendering on Win8. It does not seem bad and with IE and Firefox side by side they seem almost identical.

    Except for wrong colors in IE because it does color management very badly.

    The text in Windows desktop and in the Metro start screen is mostly rendered well, must be with cleartype. However from time to time a notification shows with extremely badly rendered greyscale anti-aliased text (e.g. on the login screen, power button, menu to select sleep, restart etc.).

    I have not used any metro apps yet. But Microsoft advertises the Surface as a "cleartype" screen, so presumably it is available for programs to use?

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , dentaku wrote

    @JoshRoss:The thing is Cleartype is quite an amazing technology and helps allot of people. Not giving people the option to use it in IE10 is obviously wrong.

    Welcome to the new Microsoft -- where Windows branding is king and users don't matter. 

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    JoshRoss

    @DeathByVisualStudio: That doesn't make any sense. You can't simultaneously make the Windows experience crappy while elevating the luxuriousness of the brand.

    -Josh

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    Minh

    I blame this thing. How are you supposed to know which orientation ClearType looks good in?

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    dentaku

    Ha! Smiley


    , Minh wrote

    I blame this thing. How are you supposed to know which orientation ClearType looks good in?

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    JoshRoss

    @Minh: [ sarcasm ] There you go, blaming the victims again.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , JoshRoss wrote

    @DeathByVisualStudio: That doesn't make any sense. You can't simultaneously make the Windows experience crappy while elevating the luxuriousness of the brand.

    -Josh

    LOL! What was I thinking?!?!?

    If we all believed in unicorns and fairies the world would be a better place.
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    Adam​Speight2008

    @JoshRoss:So you not heard that you can purchase polished turds.

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    cmello

    I love MS products but IE10 without cleartype is the reason I install Chrome right after installing Windows 8.

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    contextfree`

    I don't like the font rendering either, but my understanding is it was done for performance reasons and not really for the orientation reason people seem to think was behind it.

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    evildictait​or

    , contextfree` wrote

    I don't like the font rendering either, but my understanding is it was done for performance reasons and not really for the orientation reason people seem to think was behind it.

    The official reason is somewhere between "ClearType doesn't work on devices that need to dynamically orientate the text" and "Monitors and tablet screens are now high enough DPI to not need ClearType".

    Of course that doesn't really help people with low DPI monitors in a fixed orientation who upgraded their OS without upgrading their PC :/

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    contextfree`

    @evildictaitor: Where are you getting the "official" reason (link?)

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    Lizard​Rumsfeld

    There aren't affordable Retina displays yet for the PC, so scratch the second excuse.  Years from now it will be viable to get rid of it, but certainly not now.  It doesn't help matters that Windows DPI scaling is all but useless.

    Agreed, the font rendering is awful.  I like IE10's speed but no way am I using it with that atrocious rendering (1080p at 23").

     

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    dentaku

    It makes my eyes water within a few minutes so a perfectly good browser, one that I've always used over the other ones, has become unusable to me in the latest version because they refuse to let me choose to use it the way I want to.


    , NitzWalsh wrote

    There aren't affordable Retina displays yet for the PC, so scratch the second excuse.  Years from now it will be viable to get rid of it, but certainly not now.  It doesn't help matters that Windows DPI scaling is all but useless.

    Agreed, the font rendering is awful.  I like IE10's speed but no way am I using it with that atrocious rendering (1080p at 23").

     

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