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Why not move all the Metro stuff to Windows Phone and be done with it? What is this mutant for?

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    wastingtime​withforums

    After more playing around with 8 I don't get this thing at all. Using it without any touch is clunky, and touch just sucks in a typical desktop working position.

    I understand the need for leet gadgets - well, you have an OS for that already: Windows Phone. Just keep developing Windows Phone, add all your Metro apps there and touchify and storify it as much as you want but don't kill the traditional Windows product in the process.

    To this date I liked every new Windows version, even the "bad" ones like Vista and ME, hell, I defended Vista on this forum alone multiple times.. but this touch abnomation?! No way.

    The only way I would be fine with Windows 8 is if there would be a way to completely deactivate Metro or at least make it so that you won't notice it much (add a start menu!) and some sort of promise that the traditional Desktop won't get deprecated for at least ten years.

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    magicalclick
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    Minh

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    wastingtime​withforums

    So you can hack it - who cares? That's not a solution. Who says this will work with SP1? Or even in the final?

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    wsdotnet

    @wastingtimewithforums: I 100% agree, this whole windows 8 is a big mess.  

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    SteveRichter

    ,wastingtime​withforums wrote


    The only way I would be fine with Windows 8 is if there would be a way to completely deactivate Metro or at least make it so that you won't notice it much (add a start menu!) and some sort of promise that the traditional Desktop won't get deprecated for at least ten years.

    the metro desktop is where the money is.  Microsoft can make money thru people's daily use of their ddetects gestures would replace the need to touch the displayesktop apps. Why you need touch to make a tiled desktop work is something I do not understand.  Maybe a keyboard that detects gestures would make a desktop metro more useable.

     

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    brian.​shapiro

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    DCMonkey

    I can't help but think Win8 has become a lame attempt to artificially enlarge the potential market for their tablet OS and ecosystem by forcing it down desktop users' throats. They're probably afraid it would do as well as WP7 otherwise.

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    vesuvius

    @DCMonkey: What will happen is that Metro will be disabled on Desktops, especially for a large enterprise that are upgrading their operating system.; If a user elects that theyr want to use the touch based UI then so be it, but unless you have a touch device, Metro is useless for most people.

    That message is pretty clear, so I would stop panicking, and look forward to improvements in the beta Microsoft are going to have to invest in the classic desktop, as that will take decades to wean people off, and unless they update it, people will just stay on Window 7, XP or Vista.

     

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    Ray7

    ,DCMonkey wrote

    I can't help but think Win8 has become a lame attempt to artificially enlarge the potential market for their tablet OS and ecosystem by forcing it down desktop users' throats. They're probably afraid it would do as well as WP7 otherwise.

    And there's the answer right there.

    MS has come to believe that the only way it can succeed is by leveraging their existing monopoly into other markets. This is why refuse to look at doing anything that isn't tied to Windows in some way. 

    But if you look at their track record then it's probably true. I can't think of much else that has worked outside of Windows other than the XBox. The problem is that it took years and billions for the XBox to make a profit, and Balmer probably doesn't believe he has enough time to make that happen again.

    So the best thing is to try and shoehorn the monopoly into a smaller form factor. Keep the whole thing together and hopefully keep the whole thing turning a profit.

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    Royal​Schrubber

    @Ray7:I have stated multiple times that WP7 route would be a mistake. Once good Win8 tablets start shipping I bet iPad and Android will quickly lose attractiveness. iPad and Android tablets do not ship with desktop OS, which means customers have to have another machine. Having two computers does not make an economical sense to a large class of customers, who will go with Windows 8 because with Microsoft they could combine the role of iPads (mostly media consumption devices) with the role of laptop or desktop computers into a single hardware product. Connect keyboard and mouse, you've just transformed your tablet into a laptop. Connect external display, you've just created a desktop machine. You can't do that with iPad.

     

    If they limited themselves to WP7 and media consumption role for tablets then they couldn't differentiate themselves successfully from the competition, somethin WP7 currently has difficulties with. They would also expose themselves to the danger or a competitor (probably Android) figuring that desktop OS is a selling point and making WP7 tablets irrelevant in the future. Remember that full Linux desktop ecosystem has more applications than WP7 currently has. 

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    wastingtime​withforums

    ,SteveRichter wrote

    *snip*

    the metro desktop is where the money is. 

     

    I think business users generate more money. And business users want the desktop.

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    cbae

    ,wastingtime​withforums wrote

    *snip*

     

    I think business users generate more money. And business users want the desktop.

    The registry hack and required specs (minimum resolution for Metro apps) show that the traditional start menu will be included in the final product. How easily one will be able to switch back and forth remains to be seen.

    It's easy to lose sight of the fact that the developers in WinDiv are Windows users too. I think they'll understand that some people will absolutely have to have the traditional start menu and know that the immersive start menu won't cater to everyone, especially those without touch screens.

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    AndyC

    ,wastingtime​withforums wrote

    *snip*

    I think business users generate more money. And business users want the desktop.

    Humungous amounts of business users live permanently in Outlook, they couldn't care less about the desktop if they tried. Even more have moved much of their LOB apps over to web applications. If they system can provide a very simplistic method of accessing those applications and really only require users to be trained in using the applications, rather than also have to provide Operating System training (as is the case today), then there is certainly an enormous potential benefit in moving to Windows 8.

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    wastingtime​withforums

    ,AndyC wrote

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    Humungous amounts of business users live permanently in Outlook, they couldn't care less about the desktop if they tried.

    And Outlook and Office aren't desktop programs? What about the tons of inhouse applications? I guess there are more VB6/MFC/Win32 applications in corps than .NET ones. Do you think they will convert them over to Metro in a few years?

    Humans will colonize Mars sooner than Metro apps being in the majority in corps.

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    AndyC

    ,wastingtime​withforums wrote

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    And Outlook and Office aren't desktop programs? What about the tons of inhouse applications? I guess there are more VB6/MFC/Win32 applications in corps than .NET ones. Do you think they will convert them over to Metro in a few years?

    Humans will colonize Mars sooner than Metro apps being in the majority in corps.

    You click Outlook on the Start screen, Outlook launches, you do your work. Interaction with the desktop environment is often actually quite minimal. Where it does occur is in situations like attaching files and so forth, which is often an area that causes the most problems currently.

    I don't expect most of the VB6/MFC/Win32 corporate apps to be moved to Metro in the next few years, most likely they will be moved to web applications as that has certainly been the trend in corporate application provision for a long time (hence the heavy ties to IE6 we've seen). Web applications will naturally run in the Metro IE world quite happily.

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    SteveRichter

    ,wastingtime​withforums wrote

     

    I think business users generate more money. And business users want the desktop.

    I think Microsoft wants to see a monthly income stream from each of its users. That is why we are hearing all this Azure crap all the time on C9.

     

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    wastingtime​withforums

    ,AndyC wrote

     Web applications will naturally run in the Metro IE world quite happily.

     

    Doubt it. Metro IE doesn't support any plugins, no Flash, Silverlight, Adobe Reader for you. Compatability with IE6 is also pretty nil.

    I don't think you'll win many corporate users just with a barebones HTML 5 browser. It's obvious to me that MS knows and it too and that's why they want push Metro.

    Outlook - what about Powerpoint, Word and Excel?  Word is the bread and butter program in lots of cases. Attorneys can literally close shop without it.

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