@evildictaitor: yes, discussing same thing over and over is tiring. But, it is also an evident of escalated problem. If it is a topic of gun control or open source, I would believe the escalation is unavoidable. But for some newly created issues that could have been avoided, the repeated complaints only demonstrated the continuous frustration these people have to deal with and has yet to be solved. If not solved, we can only hope those oldies catch up or die out of old age.