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Windows 8 : Zune SOftware or Media Player ? I want ONE app

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    Dovella

    Zune software , is the best software of all time, innovation , UX impressive and New experience but IS NOT FINGER FRIENDLY.

    Media Player is old, but is 70 % Finger friendly.

    In Windows 8 i want Zune software but finger friendly. Team PLS FIX UX

     

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    sushovan

    I think this is a great suggestion. However there are some things that Media Player can do, but zune can't. (equalizer, frame by frame, play speed settings, media player plugins for lyrics etc). There might be issues with completely ditching media player. But I would really like to see it happen. Add those features to Zune, and ditch media player!

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    IDWMaster

    Just like MSN explorer vs Internet Explorer. 

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    nfplee

    I agree, but don't call it Zune. I would guess that about 90% of people have never heard of Zune. This figure is nearer to 100% outside the US.

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    W3bbo

    ,sushovan wrote

    I think this is a great suggestion. However there are some things that Media Player can do, but zune can't. (equalizer, frame by frame, play speed settings, media player plugins for lyrics etc). There might be issues with completely ditching media player. But I would really like to see it happen. Add those features to Zune, and ditch media player!

    Media Player is actually just showcase for DirectShow's (and Media Foundation's) capabilities. If there's anything MP can do, then WMC and Zune can do it too, just with a few minor UI modifications.

    The thing is, the Zune software and WMP have a lot of overlap, but they also have reasons to exist: Microsoft cannot put online store or first-party device integration into WMP without breaking the "pure" user experience, and WMP lacks the "zune design sense" necessary to make the Zune product seem like a first-rate competitor to the iPod.

    That said, if I was in charge of WMP and Zune, I would build a new product that that really extensible and skinnable. I would ship the product as WMP, but the Zune team can make use of the extensibility and skinning engine to transform the product into "WMP + Zune", thus problem solved.

    Of course the optiion exists for third-parties to do the same, but as we all know, they would never do that Smiley

    ,IDWMaster wrote

    Just like MSN explorer vs Internet Explorer. 

    MSN Explorer was a joke, but it did have its users (including my own 12 year-old self in 2001). It exist as a means to sell MSN Premium subscriptions, but I used it because it was a very nice alternative client to MSN Messenger (the UI was very pretty, whereas at the time Messenger version 3 was gunmetal grey), and it also had a nice hotmail UI and download manager, so it wasn't totally useless.

     

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    magicalclick

    @Dovella:

    Agreed. Need a finger friendly Zune Software.

    Or just wait for WinPh7 tablet.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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    aL_

    My beef with zune is not the media playing itself by the media browsing.. no list view for videos? Why can i only show huge thumbnails that block out part of the file name? Why is there not even a tool tip for displaying the entire filename? Why flatten my entire folder structure into a long list? and if that wasnt enough there isnt even support for tagging videos... WTF?!

    This is really a problem since you cant sync files to your phone by simply dropping them into zune, nooo, you have to browse to them inside zune!

    Both zune and media player needs to go away and be replaced by something that isnt tied to windows and isnt tied to some obsolete hardware.. maybe an addition to the live suite that integrates with the device stage?

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    Maddus Mattus

    I want a mediaplayer, so no Zune for me,. MediaPlayer is a better fit,.

    It's like the old Netscape all over again with Zune. It does a whole bunch of stuff, but it does not do one thing well,..

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    magicalclick

    @aL_:

    I have tagged my Kung Fu Pannda on Zune. I am not sure what you mean by no tagging.

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    Bas

    I just want the Media Player team to be replaced by a team that A) isn't invisible and B) knows what the hell they are doing. If I get that stupid "Could not connect to server" message again after waiting for five minutes when double clicking a video on my desktop, I'm going to punch a small child in the face.

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    W3bbo

    ,Bas wrote

    I just want the Media Player team to be replaced by a team that A) isn't invisible and B) knows what the hell they are doing. If I get that stupid "Could not connect to server" message again after waiting for five minutes when double clicking a video on my desktop, I'm going to punch a small child in the face.

    It's now been over 12 years since we've had active/live scrubbing in Quicktime player for Windows.

    WMP12 still uses the old "Video for Windows 3.11"-style scrubbing.

    YouTube, Vimeo, iOS, all support active scrubbing.

    Why, Microsoft, WHY?!?

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    magicalclick

    @Bas:

    and a better WMP = more EU law suits. WMP still works very well IMO.

    @aL_:

    Not sure if one for WL Essential is good. It does solved EU law suits problems, however, you would end up with a Windows that couldn't play video by default; worse than Win95. Email is fine because most of them use web version anyway.

     

    Anyway, I think it is more obvious that WMP would stay as player. It plays media. It doesn't do other Zune stuff to keep law suits away. And Zune software certainly need WP7 like interface to keep it finger friendly, and need a more consistant Sync interface.

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    Bas

    ,magicalclick wrote

    @Bas:

    and a better WMP = more EU law suits. WMP still works very well IMO.

    The EU lawsuits weren't about the quality of WMP.

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    magicalclick

    ,Bas wrote

    *snip*

    The EU lawsuits weren't about the quality of WMP.

    you are correct, but, you don't see law suit with Paint from other competitors.

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    W3bbo

    ,magicalclick wrote

    *snip*

    you are correct, but, you don't see law suit with Paint from other competitors.

    To be fair, you have a point. Adobe did raise a right fuss over the inclusion of PDF generation support in Microsoft office (and thus eliminating 90% of the reasons to actually pay for Adobe Acrobat; but it was going to happen anyway, free PDF-generating virtual printers have existed for a while now).

    However it isn't like Microsoft has a monopoly on media playing/library-management software (I'd argue iTunes has more regular users than WMP) and improving the baseline only makes everything better for everyone (except lazy third-party developers).

    You only get sued if you abuse your monopoly position to push out the competition, such is what happened with the bundling of IE with Windows when Netscape and other browsers cost money to buy at the time.

    No-one really pays for music management software anymore: iTunes is free, MusicMatch was free, RealJukebox (is it still around?) was free. I can't really think of anything Microsoft could do to WMP (that wasn't absolutely braindead, like removing MP3 ripping support) that would be congruent with monopoly abuse.

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    AndyC

    ,W3bbo wrote

    *snip*

    I can't really think of anything Microsoft could do to WMP (that wasn't absolutely braindead, like removing MP3 ripping support) that would be congruent with monopoly abuse.

    Adding, for example, Zune functionality allowing you to buy music online and sync with a Windows Phone 7 device could easily be construed as leveraging Windows on the PC to gain marketshare in the phone and music space. It's probably harder to think of features you could add to WMP that wouldn't raise an eyebrow than it is the other way around.

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    magicalclick

    @W3bbo:

    I thought itune is a separate download from Mac os DVDs. Does anyone who installed Mac os , not buying a Mac from the store, can comform this for me? 

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    magicalclick

    @magicalclick:

    Anyway, the reality is, when you do better than competitors and it come with os for free, you get law suits. One reason they didn't include Paint .NET in Vista or win7. You can spin it all you like, but, that's the reality.

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