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Windows 8 : Zune SOftware or Media Player ? I want ONE app

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    kettch

    @magicalclick: Actually, I thought Mark Russinovich made a good case for not shipping certain products with the OS in his latest video on C9. He said that if it ships with the OS, you are limited to how quickly you can iterate the product because of the hurdles you have to overcome to push out updates. You also have to support many more configurations, for the life of that particular OS. So, you would be stuck supporting the same old version for 10+ years.

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    magicalclick

    @kettch:

    huhu, that's true. I rememeber they pushed one update that froze when saving JPEG, then, the next update fixed it. Stuff like this would be horrible if it goes with OS update cycles.

    The thing is they probably could offer a stable version of Paint .Net to MS. And will have a seperate version of their own. Like how ICE is a seperate project before it is finalized into WL Photo Gallery. Some ICE features like video stiching is still not presented in WL Photo Gallery.

    This also get me thinking. WL Essenstial should have new Paint software that support layering, history list, and so on.

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    Blue Ink

    Adding components to Windows that are not under the direct control of Microsoft is just asking for trouble...rember Imaging or, more recently, HyperTerminal?

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    Craig_​Matthews

    ,aL_ wrote

    My beef with zune is not the media playing itself by the media browsing.. no list view for videos? Why can i only show huge thumbnails that block out part of the file name? Why is there not even a tool tip for displaying the entire filename?

    It's funny cause the entire iTunes Music Store is like this and it pisses me off. Virtually every title on the iTunes store is truncated with "..." attached to the end. Nearly everything needs to be clicked on and drilled into before you can see the whole title -- and that's a horrible experience when you combine it with the fact that no matter how powerful your computer is, iTunes (and it's embedded store web page) on Windows acts as if it's on a 386SX-33 w/4MB of RAM.

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    cbae

    ,aL_ wrote

    My beef with zune is not the media playing itself by the media browsing.. no list view for videos? Why can i only show huge thumbnails that block out part of the file name? Why is there not even a tool tip for displaying the entire filename?

    *snipped*

    If you hover your mouse pointer over the title (as opposed to the image), you do get a tool tip for the entire title.

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    spivonious

    I like the Zune marketplace piece, but I agree that the brand is obsolete and WMP feels old.

    Make something new, include it with the Live Essentials suite. Windows Live Media Player, or Windows Live Media, something like that.

    I'm also hoping they keep updating Media Center. I use it every day on my HTPC. I heard a rumor that they're dropping it from Windows 8.

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    Harlequin

    Zune software is the prettiest out there, but it's just too slow and chunky. And I'm not sure about it's plugin architecture, since I don't think DFX can run on it. Then again iTunes is the worst piece of mainstream software out there today...only real powerful music player/library out there is MediaMonkey, espacially for tagging and organization.

    iTunes is the worst for tagging, since things like album covers don't get injected into the mp3 like it should, just the iTunes library gets updated with the cover.

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    indigo_7

    So glad this discussion is happening, I've got to throw another spanner to throw into the works.  We have Windows Media Player, Zune Media Player and Windows Media Center.  We really need to work towards merging all of these endpoints into something that's integrated and magical.  WMP is great with non-Ipod mp3 players and general use, Zune obviously for WP7 and Zune devices and has the best overall ecosystem built around it and finally WMC is great for full screen engagement on large screens and remote controls but doesn't play well with either of the other two in a meaningful way. 

    All were developed at different times for different purposes, I know, but you have to marvel at the simplicity of the Apple model: Iphone or ipod or mini or nano or mac + itunes and your're done.  Why/how has Microsoft got itself into yet another multi-application support nightmare?  You would have thought they would have learned the lessons of 9x/NT merger.

    Windows 8 must solve these issues from the start.  I don't think that adding WMP to the Windows Live family is a good idea - the Windows Live brand is congested and confusing enough and what a horrible mouthful - Windows Live Media Player - urrrgh!  If Zune is to be the media player poster child for Windows 8, (which I think it should be), then it needs to be included with Windows 8 not a separate download.

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    PaoloM

    ,indigo_7 wrote

    All were developed at different times for different purposes, I know, but you have to marvel at the simplicity of the Apple model: Iphone or ipod or mini or nano or mac + itunes and your're done. 

    And FrontRow (sadly gone in Lion). And Quicktime Player.

    But yeah, it's very simple to use iTunes on your TV with a remote.

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    magicalclick

    @indigo_7:

    I kinda agree. It would be cool to have a Zune that's:

    • Lite, like WMP.
    • Support Codec Pack, (I suppose Zune does this already, haven't tested it)
    • Big Buttons like WMC
    • Offers WMC channels. (I like to watch movie trailers on MSN chennels on WMC)

    Probably not WMP upgrade because they attract law suits. Just do it on Zune which is optional. Although WMP would merge with WMC for a more consistant experience.

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    aL_

    @magicalclick:

    How did you tag it? i've been looking for a way to do that in zune for ages.. anyhow, i'd rather not retag thousends of videos just because zune cant show my folders...

    as for WL esencials, it pops right up when you first install windows, and is preinstalled on pretty much all retail computers so i dont really see that as a problem. being outside the windows release cycle would also be a huge benefit and allow them to stay relevant alot more easily.

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    magicalclick

    @aL_:

    I doubled checked it, my bad. I only set the categories, so, it will show in the movie tab. Not really a tagging.

    As for WL essentials. I really liked how they finally removed mail and photo gallery in Win7. But I am not sure about some of the stuff. Those things in WL essentials are not entirely essential. Win7 can view photos just fine and most people check email on web. But, when it comes to WMP, I wanted it to be build-in. Maybe that's my old way of thinking. It just doesn't feel right. I am actually more than happy to have WMP separated to avoid law suits and really able to evolve freely. But, it just doesn't feel right. 

    [edit] LOLZ, talking about WL essentials, I just got an update within a minute.

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    Dovella

    ,PaoloM wrote

    *snip*

    And FrontRow (sadly gone in Lion). And Quicktime Player.

    But yeah, it's very simple to use iTunes on your TV with a remote.

     

    ROFL ^_^

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    spivonious

    I don't thnk you can merge a 10 foot interface with a 3 foot interface and expect anything good to happen. Keep WMC separate, but merge WMP and Zune for standard PC media duties.

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    cbae

    ,aL_ wrote

    @magicalclick:

    How did you tag it? i've been looking for a way to do that in zune for ages.. anyhow, i'd rather not retag thousends of videos just because zune cant show my folders...

    What exactly do you mean by "tagging"? Zune does allow you to add some metadata to your videos:

    • Title
    • Sort Title
    • Category
    • Genre
    • Release Date
    • Description

    You can group/sort the videos by the following fields:

    • Title/Sort Title
    • Category (only from the "All" pivot)
    • Content Type (DRM-Free vs Purchased--kinda useless)
    • Date Added
    • Genre (from anything other than the "All" pivot)

    If you select "TV" as the category, you can add data to other fields:

    • Series Title
    • Season #
    • Episode Title
    • Episode #

     And you can group/sort by these fields from the "TV" pivot.

     

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    W3bbo

    ,cbae wrote

    *snip*

    What exactly do you mean by "tagging"? Zune does allow you to add some metadata to your videos:

    • Title
    • Sort Title
    • Category
    • Genre
    • Release Date
    • Description

    You can group/sort the videos by the following fields:

    • Title/Sort Title
    • Category (only from the "All" pivot)
    • Content Type (DRM-Free vs Purchased--kinda useless)
    • Date Added
    • Genre (from anything other than the "All" pivot)

    If you select "TV" as the category, you can add data to other fields:

    • Series Title
    • Season #
    • Episode Title
    • Episode #

     And you can group/sort by these fields from the "TV" pivot.

    I think he might be refering to the ability to change a file's metadata (as opposed to simply its entry in the media library).

    I don't think video files like MPEG have support for things like ID3, unlike MP3.

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    PaoloM

    ,W3bbo wrote

    *snip*

    I think he might be refering to the ability to change a file's metadata (as opposed to simply its entry in the media library).

    I don't think video files like MPEG have support for things like ID3, unlike MP3.

    Those changes are reflected into the files, when the format support is there. WMV, MP4 and most other H.264 containers allow plenty of metadata and those are pretty much everything you'll ever need on a computer.

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    cbae

    @PaoloM: I knew that Zune modifies ID3 tags inside MP3 files when you edit the metadata through its editor. I didn't know video files also allowed for embeddable metadata.

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