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Windows 8 App Store Quality

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  • DCMonkey

    So, it looks like someone has taken up the task of calling out some of the truly terrible Windows 8 Apps that are getting into the Windows 8 App Store. Examples include trivial "games"  submitted dozens of times under different names, rebadged SDK samples, and my personal favorite: App13.

    I myself have seen quite a few apps with the default template gray background and box-with-an-x icon. And no-one should go wanting for a unit converter app on Windows 8. Is MS going to crack down on this tripe?

  • TexasToast

    @DCMonkey: I just saw that App13. (Tic Tac Toe)   What happed to quality over quantity?  It would be nice if they have a feature where you can permanently hide an app from showing up in search.  Some kind of blacklist since Microsoft is letting it get through.

    Thanks for the link.  

  • kettch

    This is pretty much par for the course in the world of mobile apps. You really think that all 5 bajillion iOS apps are great? I've spoken with people who have iOS and Android devices and they've said that that with the sheer number of apps out there, it's more and more difficult to find something useful. Unless you already know what you want, there can be no discovery of new kinds of apps without relying on "top 10" posts or featured apps.

  • JoshRoss

    Look at the opportunity here people! If you have a heartbeat and a developer account, you have the chance to make money. How could you possibly complain about the weakness the competitive field?

    You guys are winners, and winners don't complain about things, they go out and screw the prom queen!

    Make Apps not war!

    Go-Fight-Win!

    -Josh

     

  • JoshRoss

    @DeathByVisualStudio: Fart apps seem more like something out of the skeuomorphic world of Scott Forstall than the Metro world of Microsoft.

    How do you meld crisp text and lines with juicy fart sounds?

  • JoshRoss

    Forget the crisp text, Josh. Think fast and fluid. You could translate gestures into bodily noises. A quick flick might emit a high pitched toot, while a slow drag will... I think you get the point.

    -Josh

  • Craig_​Matthews

    Android clock widgets/apps.

  • Harlequin

    , JoshRoss wrote

    ...If you have a heartbeat and a developer account...



    Unfortunately, this is the issue. Developers are not designers. They build an app, they throw it into the store, it works, it looks like garbage.

    A good example in that link in the top post:
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    WTF is this supposed to be? This is what you get when you have zero design influence.

  • DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , JoshRoss wrote

    @DeathByVisualStudio: Fart apps seem more like something out of the skeuomorphic world of Scott Forstall than the Metro world of Microsoft.

    How do you meld crisp text and lines with juicy fart sounds?

    , JoshRoss wrote

    Forget the crisp text, Josh. Think fast and fluid. You could translate gestures into bodily noises. A quick flick might emit a high pitched toot, while a slow drag will... I think you get the point.

    -Josh

    Thanks for starting my day out right. Who needs corn flakes? Damn you're funny.

    If we all believed in unicorns and fairies the world would be a better place.
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  • Ray7

    @DCMonkey: The plot thickens.

     

    Windows8 Rubbish Apps said:

    I feel like I've uncovered a conspiracy and I have no idea what to do with the information!

    I emailed both Kusuma Sruthi and Pavan Kumar asking them why they had felt the need to submit their game multiple times to the Windows 8 store. I wasn't really expecting a response. Yet both replied, pretty quickly, saying that they were told to do it but would remove the duplicates if I told them to. Was my email written with such authority?

    Both claim to have been contacted by POOJA PATIL and told "to upload our apps with DIFFERENT NAMES and with SAME SOURCE CODE". Whilst Pavan Kumar claimed not to have contact details he did say that she was from Microsoft. Kusuma Sruthi was more forthcoming with both a microsoft.com email address and an Indian mobile number. A brief Googling confirms the existence of a Pooja Patil with this phone number working for Microsoft to organise the Windows 8 Guiness World Record attempt in Bangalore.

    Why would someone from Microsoft have told these two developers to submit their game multiple times? Were they really so desperate for apps that they encouraged this cloning? Were they really expecting that no one would notice?

    I feel on a mission now to find a third developer to confirm this suspicion! Have you noticed any clones in the store?

  • wkempf

    , DCMonkey wrote

    So, it looks like someone has taken up the task of calling out some of the truly terrible Windows 8 Apps that are getting into the Windows 8 App Store. Examples include trivial "games"  submitted dozens of times under different names, rebadged SDK samples, and my personal favorite: App13.

    I myself have seen quite a few apps with the default template gray background and box-with-an-x icon. And no-one should go wanting for a unit converter app on Windows 8. Is MS going to crack down on this tripe?

    How is this different from any other app store? Microsoft (and Apple and Google) aren't in the game of deciding what apps are "good enough" to be in their store... and if they were you'd have a different complaint thread about them censoring. Just look at the complaints made every time that Apple rejects an app, not based on whether it's good enough, but for other reasons. We all can smell a fart app when we see it, but banning them is a slippery slope and not something Microsoft should do.

  • DeathBy​VisualStudio

    Every app store has this problem that's understandable. Malware and viruses aside I certainly wouldn't want any stringent regulations on apps submitted -- if anything to keep Maddus quiet.

    That said is it my imagination or is Microsoft marketing the idea that their store, while fewer apps it may have, contains more quality apps? Maybe it's just a bad assumption a lot of us make but if it isn't I think that's where this kind of conversation starts.

  • magicalclick

    The more of crappy apps = more waste on subscriptions = inflated MS subscription revenue = Balmer laugh louder  in front of stock holders.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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  • JeremyJ

    @DCMonkey: You can blame the multitude of tech blogs out there for this problem.  What is the biggest complaint from tech blogs about WP7?  Not enough apps.  It doesn't matter that there are 110,000 apps in the store.  They still complain that it isn't the same amount as iOS or Android.  So if Microsoft started cracking down on terrible apps they would get even more complaints from the tech community.  I really wish they would stop all of the stat comparison crap because it doesn't help the consumer in any way, shape, or form.

  • Harlequin

    This is where design evangelists would come into play...but they are far and few right now. We have MVPs to give direction, but nothing on the design side of the coin. How popular would a Windows 8 Design MVP be right now Smiley

  • Ian2

    , Harlequin wrote

    This is where design evangelists would come into play...but they are far and few right now. We have MVPs to give direction, but nothing on the design side of the coin. How popular would a Windows 8 Design MVP be right now Smiley

     

    I got some great advice from one of the UK evangelists - nothing I didn't already really know but having someone tell me made all the difference!  The main thing I have learned about design is that compromise is not really an option (and as programmers I think we naturally tend to think the job is done when the function is complete).

    Hmmm, maybe a  blog post coming - "things that a designer highlighted that I had just 'let go'"

  • vesuvius

    , Harlequin wrote

    How popular would a Windows 8 Design MVP be right now Smiley

    Judging by the constant change that Blend has undergone, Designers perfecting their Photoshop skills is a far better bet than the chopping and changing that the XAML stack has undergone, especially the anxiety around the silence before the full Windows 8 announcements.

    That ultimately has been the Achilles heel, where Blend MVP's have decided to move on.

     

  • Harlequin

    I can be as simple as colour or texture, like the cookbook app below. There's nothing extremely extravagant about the UI, but it has a nice colour palette, some imagery, some texture; freshens it up a lot. Then you don't have an app like the one in the screenshot I posted above.

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