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Windows 8 CP one month on

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    spivonious

    @BitFlipper: How is the desktop in Win8 "castrated"? It's exactly the same minus the start button.

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    BitFlipper

    @spivonious:

    Because the Start button was kinda...important?

    I have used the CP. I hate it. As far as I'm concerned, the Windows 8 desktop has been castrated, and so far no-one has been able to give me one good reason why it had to be. Not one.

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    magicalclick

    @BitFlipper:

    Because if you have start button, when you press start on keyboard, you wouldn't know which one to pop up. Also it is about metro advertising. If you make metro on top of desktop, like wmc or origami, desktop will overpower it.

    I think the annoying part is, even if you want to stay in metro, it has so many  limitations, you ended up back to desktop. like I cannot use IE metro, I cannot save a picture and there is no  favorite by design. and it doesn't allow flash or Silverlight by choice. I will have to use is desktop if I don't want to get interrupted by limitations. Also it takes so long and black screen to play a video on my laptop.  I simply unable to stay on metro for long, even when I really want to stay in metro.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    @BitFlipper: & @magicalclick:

    I agree with you both. On a desktop PC I can't stand the "Walls Without Windows" aspect where I'm jumping from full screen app to full screen app. The "castration" of the desktop is also problematic. I can't imagine what the helpdesk call levels will be like in a corporation the decides to roll W8 out. Leveraging the metro start screen as "advertising" to the desktop users is worrisome and I believe underscores at what length Sinofsky will go to prove his vision was correct.

    As a tablet however it's pretty good. The full screen, app switching nature of the beast isn't as noticeable due to the smaller screen and touch controls. I really enjoy being able to flick between apps on the tablet. What sucks is the actual metro apps included. They are all pretty bad; Metro IE being so hobbled included.

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    kettch

    I will agree that there are some unnecessary limitations to the desktop. However, I don't buy the complaints about full screen apps. If you don't want to use full screen apps, then don't use full screen apps. I think the average user (e.g., not you) doesn't care one way or another.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    @kettch: So can I use a non-full screen version of the start screen?

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    kettch

    @DeathByVisualStudio: That's not an app.

    I'm all for the ability to toggle things on and off. However, I don't want people like you deciding for everybody.

    The place I work at has a custom application launcher that launches at startup and can't be closed because the average user in the real world can't find anything if it's not stapled to their forehead. For those kind of users, a full screen full of colorful tiles is perfect.

    The start screen doesn't bother me because I stopped using the start menu a long time ago. If I do click start (or more commonly hit the Windows key) it's only to type something in search.

    There are things about Windows 8 I would change, but I don't possess the hubris to assume my opinions and use cases are universal.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    @kettch: So providing people options is me deciding for everyone? I guess in a very abstract way you'd be right. "I decide choice for everyone!" Me thinks I'd make a great dictator with that kind of decision making.

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    magicalclick

    , kettch wrote

    The start screen doesn't bother me because I stopped using the start menu a long time ago. If I do click start (or more commonly hit the Windows key) it's only to type something in search.

    But, that shouldn't be your personal decision to take away something that other people are using. Especially for mom and pop who are not good at finding and installing a custom made Start Menu.

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    Proton2

    I keep crashing Solitaire when I undo too many times.

    OneNote 2007 freezes and requires a sign-out (or kill task) (I hear the same problem exists with OneNote 2010). I have occasional problems with Xbox media center and need to reboot to get it to work again.

    However, I have been using Win8 CP exclusively since installing it the day after it became available and I really like the new start screen.

    OneNote on Windows 7 was taking several seconds to show up when I started the app, but on Win8 it is instant start. I don't know why it was or got so slow on Windows 7.

    I installed Office 2000, just Word and Excel though, and they work great. Excel does have an issue with not being able to drag it from a full window, but the same bug exists in Windows 7.

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    daSmirnov

    Being used full time on two of my computers at home, ye old LE1700 Tablet PC (pen flicks have totally gone all over the place so dragging pages around in IE is well annoying).  It isn't on my main system (well it is but I'm usually on Win 7) because I've been doing a lot of gaming and Shogun 2 is a bit crash happy with it at the moment.

    In comparison I was full time with Windows Vista (can't remember what build, but early) and Windows 7 (first public release).

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    Dr Herbie

    , alaskonorth wrote

    My plans for check-driving the CP ended up being minimize quick by the very fact that the network was incredibly unreliable. It kept dropping connections, and doing an incoming connection failed 9/10 occasions. This manufactured it impossible to work with for each day usage, so I had to return to Windows 7.

    Hmm, an  almost verbatim copy of Sven's answer. Spammer preparing the way?

    Herbie

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    Blue Ink

    @Dr Herbie: Good call. Thesaurus spammers by the look of it... it's kind of fascinating to see a flock of them in action on the same thread, if they keep at it they will have beaten the original into a pulp in just a few more days.

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    kettch

    , magicalclick wrote

    *snip*

    But, that shouldn't be your personal decision to take away something that other people are using. Especially for mom and pop who are not good at finding and installing a custom made Start Menu.

    It's that kind of thinking that prompts people to install a custom start menu for mom and pop without giving them the opportunity to learn the new way themselves.

    When my mother got a new Windows 7 laptop, she complained about a few things that were different. She asked me to make it work like the old one. I didn't get around to looking at it for a week, by which time she'd learned the interfaces and like them better than the old.

    , DeathByVisualStudio wrote

    @kettch: So providing people options is me deciding for everyone? I guess in a very abstract way you'd be right. "I decide choice for everyone!" Me thinks I'd make a great dictator with that kind of decision making.

    Except, in your posts you tend to come off as saying "I hate all the things, turn it off".

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    blowdart

    , kettch wrote

    When my mother got a new Windows 7 laptop, she complained about a few things that were different. She asked me to make it work like the old one. I didn't get around to looking at it for a week, by which time she'd learned the interfaces and like them better than the old.


    Been through that this Christmas. Took about a week for the parents to get comfortable coming from XP

     

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    I hope Microsoft understands the difference between "getting used to" something and actually "liking" something. I am "used to" the mouse + keyboard interface but I certainly don't like it.

    , kettch wrote

    *snip*

    Except, in your posts you tend to come off as saying "I hate all the things, turn it off".

    Put another way I come off not blindly accepting whatever Microsoft says or does (or not says as being "good" by default).

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    magicalclick

    , kettch wrote

    *snip*

    When my mother got a new Windows 7 laptop, she complained about a few things that were different. She asked me to make it work like the old one. I didn't get around to looking at it for a week, by which time she'd learned the interfaces and like them better than the old.

    I feel bad for her, at the same time, I envy you.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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