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Windows 8 First App contest

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  • Ian2

    I have just created my entry for this competition but noticed that the UK id not specifically mentioned as being eligible:

    The First Apps contest is open to developers in the United States, Germany, France, Japan, and India

    Is anyone at Microsoft in a position to confirm that developers in the UK are eligible?

    Thanks.

    https://buildwindowscontest.com

    EDIT

    There is a bit more info in the detailed rules but it still looks a little ambiguous:

    • You are a developer – professional, hobbyist, or student – and you are a legal resident of the 50 United States and District of Columbia, France, Germany, Japan, or India, 18 years of age or older; and
      • If you are 18 of age or older, but are considered a minor in your place of residence, you must have obtained your parent's or legal guardian's permission prior to submitting an entry into this Contest; and
    • You are NOTa resident of any of the following countries: Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan, and Syria.
      • PLEASE NOTE: U.S. export regulations prohibit the export of goods and services to Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan and Syria. Therefore residents of these countries / regions are not eligible to participate.

     

  • blowdart

    This Contest is void outside the geographic area described above and wherever else prohibited by law.


    I thought that was clearer than it usually is. It appears you are not eligible.

  • Ian2

    @blowdart:I know it looks like that but it maybe is just that the US just plain forgot about the UK again.  We are not in the list of countries explicitly excluded so I am still hopeful. 

    Any chace you could contact someone from the relevant team just to confirm (or just get a relevant contact so that I can chase?)

    Thanks.

    PS It is parky here now (thought you might want to know?)

    Are you back for Xmas?

  • Maddus Mattus

    Too many high end developers in Holland it seems, we would steal that prize!

  • spivonious

    , Ian2 wrote

    • You are a legal resident of the United States, France, Germany, Japan, or India, and you are NOT a resident of any of the following countries: Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan, and Syria.

    Pretty clear to me. It doesn't make much sense, but it is what it is.

  • blowdart

    , Ian2 wrote

    @blowdart:I know it looks like that but it maybe is just that the US just plain forgot about the UK again.  We are not in the list of countries explicitly excluded so I am still hopeful. 

    Any chace you could contact someone from the relevant team just to confirm (or just get a relevant contact so that I can chase?)

    Thanks.

    PS It is parky here now (thought you might want to know?)

    Are you back for Xmas?

    I can try to track down the team, I'll talk to Charles too, he has more contacts than I ever will.

    And I'm in sunny warm Seattle for Christmas Smiley

  • evildictait​or

    , spivonious wrote

    *snip*

    Pretty clear to me. It doesn't make much sense, but it is what it is.

    That's because

    a) This particular competition is open to people from United States, France, Germany, Japan, or India

    and 

    b) The US government has listed Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan, and Syria as countries with an existing export-ban, so Microsoft blanketly blacklists anyone from there for potentially receiving a prize from any competition.

    i.e. ( a ) applies to this particular competition and (b) applies to all competitions and Microsoft legal insists it is put on all competitions (so if Microsoft amends part (a ) to include all countries, they don't accidentally fall foul of US export restrictions by not specifically excluding the countries in (b))

  • figuerres

    And again Microsoft exludes a whole bunch of folks who are not in the us and not in the blacklisted set from something when they should include them.....  just silly and makes MS look bad.

  • TexasToast

    Maybe they realize all the good developers from Holland, Finland, and UK already have moved to the US so they already have that covered.   When it comes to entertainment (movie stars) and software you have to come to the states to make it big.

    Just kidding but I think there might be other contests which will be region specific only for Europe or Asia.   They probably have some logistics they have to deal with but I dont understand excluding UK when you include France and Germany.

  • spivonious

    , evildictaitor wrote

    *snip*

    That's because

    a) This particular competition is open to people from United States, France, Germany, Japan, or India

    and 

    b) The US government has listed Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan, and Syria as countries with an existing export-ban, so Microsoft blanketly blacklists anyone from there for potentially receiving a prize from any competition.

    i.e. ( a ) applies to this particular competition and (b) applies to all competitions and Microsoft legal insists it is put on all competitions (so if Microsoft amends part (a ) to include all countries, they don't accidentally fall foul of US export restrictions by not specifically excluding the countries in (b))

    Oh, I understood that. I just don't know why UK, Benelux, Spain, Portugal, Australia, China, etc. aren't included.

  • Maddus Mattus

    @spivonious: They will probeply get their own competition?

  • Lord Zarquon

    I don't know what it's like in other countries, but here in Australia you need to get permits from the various state/territory governments to run a competition like this, and they all have different requirements. It can take several weeks to get all of those permits through because the lodgements tend to take about a week to be processed after which you may be asked by some states to adjust your Conditions of Entry and resubmit your request thus setting you back another week.

    I imagine running a global competition would be a serious pain and take a long time to organise if they had to lodge paper work like that in every country.

  • blowdart

    I got a response.

    Windows is in a pre-release state. We're working to expand international reach at each milestone in the development process.  Developer Preview was available in English only.  Beta will be available in more languages.  Similarly, the Store will start with the First Apps (and internal employee) contest accepting submissions from a small set of countries to ensure the service runs properly before the Store is deployed broadly.  The Store will support submissions from 27 countries when Windows 8 becomes generally available, and we are working hard to expand the list beyond 27.

    The reason we have France and Germany is that we are localizing the beta into French and German and would like to have apps in those languages in the store.

     

     

  • Ian2

    @blowdart: Thanks.

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