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Windows 8 RTM is available now on MSDN and Technet, if you have a subscription

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    cheong

    I've downloaded last night.

    Strange that I can only claim 5 keys each for both editions, while I could get 10 with WinXP/Vista/7. (Not that it matters to me as I don't need that many keys anyway, but it's just strange.)

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    JoshRoss

    @cheong: I could normally live with five keys. But, you have to burn a key just to get it to install. So, if it doesn't work on your test machine, then you're out of luck-- and a key.

    Just out of curiosity, can you reclaim keys, like you can reclaim iTunes machine authorizations?

    -Josh

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    cheong

    @JoshRoss: I don't know as I never need to do that. The OS version I claimed most key is WinXP, but that's because I have to install it on my working PC, a VPC VM and then Hyper-V VM.

    For most other OS version, I just need 1 or 2 keys.

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    ZippyV

    I installed Windows 8 enterprise yesterday. During install it didn't even ask for a key.

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    Sven Groot

    , ZippyV wrote

    I installed Windows 8 enterprise yesterday. During install it didn't even ask for a key.

    Pro does ask for a key, and cannot be installed without one. It also automatically activates if you're connected to the Internet. So much for the old advice of not activating virtual machines.

    The RTM also still defaults to "private network", complete with a home group, with my direct Internet connection with public IP address. It's like the least secure configuration possible. And the way to change it to private is no longer available in the Network and Sharing Center, but hidden in the charms bar and confusingly named "turn sharing on or off".

    Other than that, it's definitely a lot smoother and more polished than the CP was (never tried the RP). We'll see how it goes.

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    Dr Herbie

    So has anyone spotted any differences from the preview releases?

    Herbie

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    PerfectPhase

    , Dr Herbie wrote

    So has anyone spotted any differences from the preview releases?

    No Aero glass effects on windows any more.

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    Ian2

    More Apps in the Store (Yes, like this one)

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    Sven Groot

    , PerfectPhase wrote

    *snip*

    No Aero glass effects on windows any more.

    Yeah, when I first saw it, I thought it was butt-ugly. I still think it's ugly, but I do have to admit that I don't notice it that much during regular usage.

    I just wish Office 2013 (decided to use the preview, hadn't used it before) wasn't so white. I always used the blue theme in 2010 because I thought the default gray one was too bland, and now it's even blander with no alternatives.

    I have to wonder, if you were to show the Windows 7 and 8 desktop UIs side-by-side to someone who has never seen either (let's say, some hypothetical person who had never seen a version of Windows since Windows 95) and ask them which one is the more modern UI, what they would answer.

    One minor annoyance so far: the "Computer Management" option in the right-click corner menu opens a non-elevated instance of MMC if you're a regular user (which I am), whereas the "Manage" option on the Computer entry in the start menu would always ask to elevate. There's no easy way to open an elevated computer management instance, since it doesn't appear in the start screen search either. Easiest way I've found is to open an elevated command prompt and run compmgmt.msc.

    I'm also really missing the start menu MRU list and I hate that after every install I have to remove a whole slew of pointless tiles from the start screen. I'm also missing the Documents/Music/etc. options from the right-hand side of the start menu, and am slowly getting used to using a pinned instance of Explorer (I never had that pinned before). These are complaints I've made before.

    It's not as bad as I feared, anyway. Metro doesn't get in the way too often, and the whole OS feels very fast and smooth. And since it seems the network issues that forced me to abandon the previews are gone, I hope I'll have a chance to see if I can get used to it this time.

    It's weird, though. Ever since Windows 2000, I've been part of the process. I was invited into the technical beta for Windows 2000 at the beta 3 stage, and used it as my primary OS almost immediately (only falling back to 98 for some games due to driver issues). I filed bugs and conversed with the development team in the beta newsgroups, and when it was released I was proud to say I had some (small) part in the final product.

    With XP I was there from the earliest days of the technical beta, before beta 1 even. I was very active during that one, installing every new build and giving a ton of feedback. And again, when it was released, I felt that in some small degree it was "my" OS.

    With Vista, it started to get less. We got fewer builds, and it felt like the feedback of the external beta sites was less important than before. Still, some difference was made (like the return of list view in explorer), and it was still "my" OS, though less so.

    Windows 7 was the beginning of the end for the technical beta program. There was less interaction with the devs in the newsgroups, and although they still listened to the feedback on Connect (since the old WindowsBetaWeb was no more), it felt we were somewhat out of the loop. This was strengthened by the fact that we got the same builds as the public (just the milestones), and that beta 1 was already so far along that there was no chance to influence the design like with XP or Vista.

    I was in the Windows 7 SP1 beta. I might as well not have been. We were ignored. Only one build, never saw any MS people on the newsgroups.

    Windows 8, I don't know if there was a real beta program like the old Windows versions had, but if there was, I wasn't invited (and I haven't heard about it). Sure, you could submit feedback on the public builds, but it felt like MS was plotting its own course regardless. And unfortunately I also didn't have the time to commit to an in-depth bug hunt like I'd done before.

    So this is the first version of Windows where I've had no influence whatsoever over the final product. It seems that under Sinofsky the days of the technical beta program and being part of Windows are well and truly over. The end of an era, for me.

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    AlanBarber

    @JoshRoss:They keys work just like normal retail keys which means it follows the standard activation rules that have been around since xp/vista...

    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-vista/Activating-Windows-frequently-asked-questions

     

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    Bas

    It's looking good. I like that there's more variety in start screen backgrounds now. Other than that, not a whole lot of difference to the RP. The Xbox Live app now works (although it has none of the Xbox Smartglass branding it apparently has in the US). The mail app is less confusing when using multiple accounts and supports IMAP accounts now, but unfortunately, the Messages app still only allows you to use the Microsoft account you signed in with, which means it's unusable for me.

    I like the fact that Window borders now use the dominant desktop background color, by the way. I was confused by the bettafish at first, but then I realised it must've synced my stuff over from the RP.

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    Dr Herbie

    Can anyone tell me which version of .NET are included in Win8 by default? (No I don't have MSDN or Technet).

    Herbie

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    davewill

    @Dr Herbie: Maybe in a few hours.  Still reading through the license terms. Some interesting stuff in there. Smiley

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    Bas

    Drat, I just installed VS so I'm not sure what was there by default. When I installed live Messenger it wanted to download 3.5 though, so apparently that's not in there by default.

    By the way, you can download the 90 day evaluation even if you don't have MSDN or Technet.

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    Sven Groot

    @Bas: I also already installed VS, but there is no entry for .Net 4.5 in Add/Remove Programs (only the multi-targeting pack), so it's a given that .Net 4.5 is included.

    Also, several optional features of .Net 4.5 (appears to be stuff that's not part of the Client Framework like ASP.NET) appear under the "Turn Windows features on or off" dialog (.Net 3.5 also appears there, but is not selected by default, like you I got a prompt to install it when I installed the Windows Essentials).

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    Dr Herbie

    @Bas: Hmm, 90-day preview -- I might just do that, can't make it any worse that the release preview I have at home.

    Herbie

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    davewill

    @Dr Herbie: Yep.  Do that because my "hours" may have increased.  I ran across a couple of things in the license terms that as a business I need to check into more.  they are:

    (minus) licensed on up to 2 processors on the licensed computer.

    (plus) allows up to 20 devices to connect for file services, print services, iis, and internet connection sharing.

    (minus) remote desktop to Windows 8 by "other" users requires the "other" users to be running Windows 8 or Windows RT.  not sure what "other" really means.

    (minus) h.264/avc, mpeg-4, and vc-1 stuff is for consumer use only.  will need to check and see what business users can do to prevent violating.  looks like nothing needs to be done after reading the mpegla stuff but not sure completely yet.

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    PaoloM

    , Dr Herbie wrote

    Can anyone tell me which version of .NET are included in Win8 by default? (No I don't have MSDN or Technet).

    Herbie

    4.0 as far as I can tell.

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