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    Dr Herbie

    @PaoloM: Thanks.

    Our software is 3.5 and someone's bound to ask it it will run on Win8 clients, so it will be nice to have some information for them before we get around to actually installing it somewhere and testing it.

    Herbie

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    Minh

    , Sven Groot wrote

    I have to wonder, if you were to show the Windows 7 and 8 desktop UIs side-by-side to someone who has never seen either (let's say, some hypothetical person who had never seen a version of Windows since Windows 95) and ask them which one is the more modern UI, what they would answer.

    If you show them 2 static screenshots, then W7 has nicer effects... but if you show them real-time videos w/ animations and stuff, then I'd say there is no comparison

     

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    Sven Groot

    , Dr Herbie wrote

    @PaoloM: Thanks.

    Our software is 3.5 and someone's bound to ask it it will run on Win8 clients, so it will be nice to have some information for them before we get around to actually installing it somewhere and testing it.

    Herbie

    Windows 8 comes with .Net 4.5, it seems. Odds are good your 3.5 app will run on that, but if it doesn't .Net 3.5 is available in the Windows features control panel.

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    Sven Groot

    , Minh wrote

    *snip*

    If you show them 2 static screenshots, then W7 has nicer effects... but if you show them real-time videos w/ animations and stuff, then I'd say there is no comparison

     

    I'm talking only about the desktop UI though, so you can't show them the Metro stuff.

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    cbae

    , Sven Groot wrote

    @Bas: I also already installed VS, but there is no entry for .Net 4.5 in Add/Remove Programs (only the multi-targeting pack), so it's a given that .Net 4.5 is included.

    Also, several optional features of .Net 4.5 (appears to be stuff that's not part of the Client Framework like ASP.NET) appear under the "Turn Windows features on or off" dialog (.Net 3.5 also appears there, but is not selected by default, like you I got a prompt to install it when I installed the Windows Essentials).

    It doesn't even look like 3.5 comes with the Windows 8 setup files. When I "turned it on", it appeared that the .NET 3.5 framework setup was downloading over the web.

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    kettch

    @cbae: Maybe they didn't want to worry about not having the latest updates. If you decide to put enable it a year from now then it will be better if you get all of the updates right away.

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    MasterPi

    Woah, something nifty...

    If you're playing music in Xbox Music and you drag the app down to close it, the music actually fades out with the app. It doesn't immediately stop like in most apps to provide a jarring experience. It's all very fluid.

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    Bas

    @MasterPie: I noticed that fading out thing too when playing a youtube video. Except I just alt+tabbed to something else, but apparently it won't keep playing in the background. That's kind of a bummer.

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    MasterPi

    @Bas: It doesn't continue playing the background when you alt + tab? Works for me, unless you're talking about something else.

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    MasterPi

    Also,

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    There's no button...it's just a gap that can be pressed. Guess they forgot.

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    cbae

    @MasterPie: Yeah, the button has no hover effect. It shouldn't even be called a button if you're going to simply hover over it to do the peek. Then again, even if you enable the peek functionality, you can still click this button. The "Show desktop" button is certainly a strange beast.

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    cbae

    BTW, has anybody figured out what the splitter bar on the left side of the task bar is for? It doesn't seem to split anything. Is this used for multiple-display mode?

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    MasterPi

    @cbae: The splitter only appears to me if I enable the Zune toolbar on that taskbar.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    Wow! Big improvements in W8 RTM! I upgraded my build tablet (uber clean, all partitions deleted, install from USB) to W8 Enterprise RTM about an hour ago I just experienced my first BSOD -- "INVALID_IO_BOOST_STATE" No W8 wasn't rushed out the door... Exciting days to come! Can't wait for WP8 based on the same kernel...

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    evildictait​or

    @DeathByVisualStudio:Heh. I hadn't heard of that bugcheck code. Turns out that it's a new bugcheck code in Win8, and a google search picks up a bugcheck site who noticed it in the new Windows8 header and .... this post!

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=INVALID_IO_BOOST_STATE

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    evildictait​or

    , DeathBy​VisualStudio wrote

    *snip*

    Thanks for the details. Not a great experience on a clean install especially using all out-of-box certified & signed drivers. I didn't even have a chance to install anything on it before it BSOD'd. I don't think grandma is gonna care whose to blame here. She'll just go buy an iPad. Perplexed

    Just out of interest, was this a raw out-of-the-box install? Or did you install any other drivers (e.g. graphics drivers or IDE drivers) that didn't come in the box?

    Also I think Microsoft has long since learnt to live with the fact that anything that goes wrong on a PC somehow gets blamed on them - but at least in fairness, nobody's grandma is going to be buying a non-OEM version of Windows8. CD installs of Windows are < 5% of all Windows sales.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , evildictait​or wrote

    Ok cool - IDA pro FTW Smiley - INVALID_IO_BOOST_STATE is apparently one of the new integrity checking bugchecks in Windows8 to check that drivers are behaving properly.

    It occurs when IO-boosting is applied to a thread which then dies before the IO-boosting is yielded, typically as a result of a resource lock being obtained and then released.

    Windows7 didn't bother to check for this eventuality, so your buggy driver would have just sat there as a ticking timebomb leaking non-paged memory every now and then and occasionally bugchecking your system. In Windows8 the driver's misdeeds are detected when the thread that owns the lock is torn down.

    Thanks for the details. Not a great experience on a clean install especially using all out-of-box certified & signed drivers. I didn't even have a chance to install anything on it before it BSOD'd. I don't think grandma is gonna care whose to blame here. She'll just go buy an iPad. Perplexed

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    cbae

    , DeathBy​VisualStudio wrote

    *snip*

    Thanks for the details. Not a great experience on a clean install especially using all out-of-box certified & signed drivers. I didn't even have a chance to install anything on it before it BSOD'd. I don't think grandma is gonna care whose to blame here. She'll just go buy an iPad. Perplexed

    His point is that grandma would never see a BSOD because she'd never be installing the OS from disc (or ISO).

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