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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    @cbae: This was post-install, after final reboot, sitting on the desktop not during install. Regardless of install or pre-installed this problem may exist in the wild if it's a Microsoft provided driver or common driver (Intel integrated video driver). Grandma is still screwed.

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    cbae

    @DeathByVisualStudio: Most OEMs test their computers for driver compatibility before they let them go out in the wild. Given the countless number of available peripherals, they're probably going to select the combinations that don't cause BSODs.

    I have a 6-year old notebook that's been a b1tch to find working display drivers for. Every hacked Windows 8 display driver I've been able to find causes the screen to go dim because it doesn't work properly with my computer's brightness controls.

    The thing is, I had to deal with the same * when I installed Windows 7 on it a couple years ago. It's amazing that the display driver is the only thing on this old POS that isn't working properly in Windows 8. For now, I have to live with a skewed 1600 x 1200 display (the native resolution is 1920 x 1200) until I find the right driver.

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    Sven Groot

    One nice thing I just noticed is that your mouse will "stick" to the corner of a screen even if that corner is in between two screens in a multi-monitor setup. As long as at least one edge of the monitor isn't adjacent to another monitor that makes it really easy to throw your mouse into the corner even with multiple monitors.

    I'm not sure if this was in RP or not, but it's the first time I noticed it.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , cbae wrote

    @DeathByVisualStudio: Most OEMs test their computers for driver compatibility before they let them go out in the wild. Given the countless number of available peripherals, they're probably going to select the combinations that don't cause BSODs.

    I have a 6-year old notebook that's been a b1tch to find working display drivers for. Every hacked Windows 8 display driver I've been able to find causes the screen to go dim because it doesn't work properly with my computer's brightness controls.

    The thing is, I had to deal with the same * when I installed Windows 7 on it a couple years ago. It's amazing that the display driver is the only thing on this old POS that isn't working properly in Windows 8. For now, I have to live with a skewed 1600 x 1200 display (the native resolution is 1920 x 1200) until I find the right driver.

    So you have an old POS notebook. Congrats on cobbling together a working solution. That still has zero impact on my OOB experience no grandma's down the road. Microsoft certifies the drivers, the oem tests the integration and still you get BSOD, W7, W8 regardless it still doesn't compare with Apple's OOB experience and that's what Microsoft needs to meet or exceed, I was hoping for better. Since this mornings episode I've had IE hang 4 times. Not a problem on any of the other previews.  Quality - it's in the box...

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    cbae

    , DeathBy​VisualStudio wrote

    *snip*

    So you have an old POS notebook. Congrats on cobbling together a working solution.That still has zero impact on my OOB experience no grandma's down the road.

    You seem to have bug up your * about Windows 8 and love to complain about how shitty the overall experience is compared to Windows 7. So I brought up my old POS notebook to point out that when I installed Windows 8 on it, the video driver compatibility issues were no different from when I installed Windows 7. Considering that my hardware is another 2 years older than it was when I upgraded XP to Windows 7, having only a display driver issue is pleasantly surprising. Beyond that, the OOBE of Windows 8 was quite pleasant. The installation of the OS itself went quickly and flawlessly. 

    Microsoft certifies the drivers, the oem tests the integration and still you get BSOD, W7, W8 regardless it still doesn't compare with Apple's OOB experience and that's what Microsoft needs to meet or exceed, I was hoping for better.

    Are you seriously comparing the OOBE of installing Windows 8 on whatever hardware you yourself cobbled together vs. buying a brand spanking new MacBook Pro? Seriously? Compare apples to apples, my friend.

    And why do you keep bringing up Grandma? Grandma's OOBE experience isn't going to consist of downloading an ISO, burning it onto a DVD, and then installing it onto an old Windows 7 machine. Grandma's OOBE experience will be unboxing a brand spanking new Windows 8 notebook by HP that she bought from BestBuy. That experience will be a lot closer to somebody else's grandma unboxing an iPad than it is to your or my OOBE installing Windows 8 onto an old Windows 7 machine.

    Since this mornings episode I've had IE hang 4 times. Not a problem on any of the other previews.  Quality - it's in the box...

    Browsers are browsers, and browsers hang--a lot. And it's not just IE. I've had Chrome hang or had the Flash plugin for Chrome crash on Windows 7 more often than I can count, and it hasn't been much better on Windows 8. You can't blame the OS for a browser hanging on you.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    @cbae: Dude you seriously need to get over yourself on the downloaded, installed DVD on crap hardware stuff. This is RTM software. This is what OEMs are going to ship. That's what Grandma is gonna buy on a new computer she gets from Best Buy -- you know comparable to buying an brand new iPad or MacBook.

    Beyond bad drivers and browser crashes I'm sure she's going to love the quality apps included in her brand new W8 PC; you know like the Mail app that instantly crashed on me when adding my Gmail account. I haven't are near as many hang-ups and crashes so back-to-back on any of the previews.

    So I guess plug-in free Metro IE doesn't really help on browser lockups. The funny thing is one of the times it croaked it was when I was refreshing the thread list here on this forum. For the record all of the browser lockups and crashes occurred on Metro IE.

    Yeah the beta test is over! Cake for everyone!

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    wastingtime​withforums

    , DeathBy​VisualStudio wrote

    Beyond bad drivers and browser crashes I'm sure she's going to love the quality apps included in her brand new W8 PC; you know like the Mail app

    Don't forget the quality ads she will get served by the built-in weather app.

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    evildictait​or

    , DeathBy​VisualStudio wrote

    Beyond bad drivers and browser crashes I'm sure she's going to love the quality apps included in her brand new W8 PC; you know like the Mail app that instantly crashed on me when adding my Gmail account. I haven't are near as many hang-ups and crashes so back-to-back on any of the previews.

    So I guess plug-in free Metro IE doesn't really help on browser lockups. The funny thing is one of the times it croaked it was when I was refreshing the thread list here on this forum. For the record all of the browser lockups and crashes occurred on Metro IE.

    Yeah the beta test is over! Cake for everyone! 

    If you're having driver troubles, it's hardly surprising that apps are locking up and randomly dying.

    Care to give us a list of your drivers? To do this run "driverquery > out.txt" from a command prompt.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    @evildictaitor:

    All OOB stuff. I haven't done anything funky with the tablet yet. Device manager looks good too; no unknown devices or whammies. Thanks.

    *EDIT*: This morning I installed Visual Studio, Office 2012, and MotoDev Studio so this list may include some additions since my bad OOB yesterday.


    Module Name  Display Name           Driver Type   Link Date            
    ============ ====================== ============= ======================
    1394ohci     1394 OHCI Compliant Ho Kernel        7/25/2012 7:26:46 PM 
    3ware        3ware                  Kernel        3/8/2012 12:33:45 PM 
    ACPI         Microsoft ACPI Driver  Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:26 PM 
    acpials      ALS Sensor Filter      Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:02 PM 
    acpiex       Microsoft ACPIEx Drive Kernel        7/25/2012 7:25:57 PM 
    acpipagr     ACPI Processor Aggrega Kernel        7/25/2012 7:27:16 PM 
    AcpiPmi      ACPI Power Meter Drive Kernel        7/25/2012 7:27:33 PM 
    acpitime     ACPI Wake Alarm Driver Kernel        7/25/2012 7:27:37 PM 
    adp94xx      adp94xx                Kernel        12/5/2008 3:54:42 PM 
    adpahci      adpahci                Kernel        5/1/2007 10:30:09 AM 
    adpu320      adpu320                Kernel        2/27/2007 4:04:15 PM 
    AFD          Ancillary Function Dri Kernel        7/25/2012 7:24:27 PM 
    agp440       Intel AGP Bus Filter   Kernel        7/25/2012 7:29:13 PM 
    AmdK8        AMD K8 Processor Drive Kernel        7/25/2012 7:26:48 PM 
    AmdPPM       AMD Processor Driver   Kernel        7/25/2012 7:26:48 PM 
    amdsata      amdsata                Kernel        6/11/2012 3:19:56 PM 
    amdsbs       amdsbs                 Kernel        2/21/2012 10:15:43 AM
    amdxata      amdxata                Kernel        6/11/2012 3:36:48 PM 
    AppID        AppID Driver           Kernel        7/25/2012 7:25:12 PM 
    arc          arc                    Kernel        3/19/2012 10:49:21 AM
    arcsas       Adaptec SAS/SATA-II RA Kernel        3/19/2012 10:51:00 AM
    AsyncMac     RAS Asynchronous Media Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:25 PM 
    atapi        IDE Channel            Kernel        7/25/2012 7:30:33 PM 
    athr         Qualcomm Atheros Exten Kernel        3/21/2012 8:26:22 PM 
    b06bdrv      Broadcom NetXtreme II  Kernel        5/14/2012 2:42:24 PM 
    BasicDisplay BasicDisplay           Kernel        7/25/2012 7:29:08 PM 
    BasicRender  BasicRender            Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:51 PM 
    Beep         Beep                   Kernel        7/25/2012 7:30:19 PM 
    bowser       Browser Support Driver File System   7/25/2012 7:28:01 PM 
    BthAvrcpTg   Bluetooth Audio/Video  Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:27 PM 
    BthEnum      Bluetooth Enumerator S Kernel        7/25/2012 7:25:17 PM 
    BthHFEnum    Bluetooth Hands-Free A Kernel        7/25/2012 7:26:13 PM 
    bthhfhid     Bluetooth Hands-Free C Kernel        7/25/2012 7:27:30 PM 
    BTHMODEM     Bluetooth Serial Commu Kernel        7/25/2012 7:25:11 PM 
    BthPan       Bluetooth Device (Pers Kernel        7/25/2012 7:23:42 PM 
    BTHPORT      Bluetooth Port Driver  Kernel        7/25/2012 7:24:01 PM 
    BTHUSB       Bluetooth Radio USB Dr Kernel        7/25/2012 7:26:16 PM 
    cdfs         CD/DVD File System Rea File System   7/25/2012 7:30:10 PM 
    cdrom        CD-ROM Driver          Kernel        7/25/2012 7:26:36 PM 
    circlass     Consumer IR Devices    Kernel        7/25/2012 7:27:06 PM 
    CLFS         Common Log (CLFS)      Kernel        7/25/2012 7:29:39 PM 
    CmBatt       Microsoft ACPI Control Kernel        7/25/2012 7:29:20 PM 
    CNG          CNG                    Kernel        7/25/2012 7:26:34 PM 
    CompositeBus Composite Bus Enumerat Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:03 PM 
    condrv       Console Driver         Kernel        7/25/2012 7:30:08 PM 
    CSC          Offline Files Driver   Kernel        7/25/2012 7:26:53 PM 
    dam          Desktop Activity Moder Kernel        7/25/2012 7:29:21 PM 
    Dfsc         DFS Namespace Client D File System   7/25/2012 7:26:53 PM 
    discache     System Attribute Cache Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:23 PM 
    disk         Disk Driver            Kernel        7/25/2012 7:29:25 PM 
    dmvsc        dmvsc                  Kernel        7/25/2012 7:25:57 PM 
    drmkaud      Microsoft Trusted Audi Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:51 PM 
    DXGKrnl      LDDM Graphics Subsyste Kernel        7/25/2012 7:26:27 PM 
    ebdrv        Broadcom NetXtreme II  Kernel        5/13/2012 8:32:42 AM 
    EhStorClass  Enhanced Storage Filte Kernel        7/25/2012 7:26:24 PM 
    EhStorTcgDrv Microsoft driver for s Kernel        7/25/2012 7:25:41 PM 
    ErrDev       Microsoft Hardware Err Kernel        7/25/2012 7:27:13 PM 
    exfat        exFAT File System Driv File System   7/25/2012 7:30:22 PM 
    fastfat      FAT12/16/32 File Syste File System   7/25/2012 7:30:23 PM 
    fdc          Floppy Disk Controller Kernel        7/25/2012 7:30:15 PM 
    FileInfo     File Information FS Mi File System   7/25/2012 7:28:02 PM 
    Filetrace    Filetrace              File System   7/25/2012 7:29:09 PM 
    flpydisk     Floppy Disk Driver     Kernel        7/25/2012 7:30:15 PM 
    FltMgr       FltMgr                 File System   7/25/2012 7:30:09 PM 
    FsDepends    File System Dependency File System   7/25/2012 7:29:11 PM 
    fvevol       BitLocker Drive Encryp Kernel        7/25/2012 7:26:46 PM 
    FxPPM        Power Framework Proces Kernel        7/25/2012 7:27:58 PM 
    gagp30kx     Microsoft Generic AGPv Kernel        7/25/2012 7:29:14 PM 
    gencounter   Microsoft Hyper-V Gene Kernel        7/25/2012 7:27:58 PM 
    GPIOClx0101  Microsoft GPIO Class E Kernel        7/25/2012 7:26:13 PM 
    GTNDIS62     GT62 UHS IP NDIS       Kernel        11/2/2011 3:29:55 AM 
    GTUHSBUS     GT UHS BUS             Kernel        10/3/2011 8:42:32 AM 
    GTUHSSER     GT UHS SER             Kernel        10/3/2011 8:41:03 AM 
    HdAudAddServ Microsoft 1.1 UAA Func Kernel        7/25/2012 7:26:49 PM 
    HDAudBus     Microsoft UAA Bus Driv Kernel        7/25/2012 7:27:35 PM 
    HidBatt      HID UPS Battery Driver Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:45 PM 
    HidBth       Microsoft Bluetooth HI Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:06 PM 
    hidi2c       Microsoft I2C HID Mini Kernel        7/25/2012 7:25:54 PM 
    HidIr        Microsoft Infrared HID Kernel        7/25/2012 7:29:06 PM 
    HidUsb       Microsoft HID Class Dr Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:25 PM 
    HpSAMD       HpSAMD                 Kernel        5/30/2012 3:24:33 PM 
    HTTP         HTTP Service           Kernel        7/25/2012 7:24:55 PM 
    hwpolicy     Hardware Policy Driver Kernel        7/25/2012 7:29:51 PM 
    hyperkbd     hyperkbd               Kernel        7/25/2012 7:27:00 PM 
    HyperVideo   HyperVideo             Kernel        7/25/2012 7:29:03 PM 
    i8042prt     i8042 Keyboard and PS/ Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:50 PM 
    iaStorV      Intel RAID Controller  Kernel        4/11/2011 11:48:16 AM
    igfx         igfx                   Kernel        5/24/2012 9:24:33 PM 
    iirsp        iirsp                  Kernel        12/13/2005 1:47:54 PM
    intelide     intelide               Kernel        7/25/2012 7:29:52 PM 
    intelppm     Intel Processor Driver Kernel        7/25/2012 7:26:48 PM 
    IpFilterDriv IP Traffic Filter Driv Kernel        7/25/2012 7:23:02 PM 
    IPNAT        IP Network Address Tra Kernel        7/25/2012 7:23:01 PM 
    IRENUM       IR Bus Enumerator      Kernel        7/25/2012 7:27:54 PM 
    isapnp       isapnp                 Kernel        7/25/2012 7:30:02 PM 
    iScsiPrt     iScsiPort Driver       Kernel        7/25/2012 7:23:03 PM 
    kbdclass     Keyboard Class Driver  Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:47 PM 
    kbdhid       Keyboard HID Driver    Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:49 PM 
    kdnic        Microsoft Kernel Debug Kernel        7/25/2012 7:27:41 PM 
    KSecDD       KSecDD                 Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:35 PM 
    KSecPkg      KSecPkg                Kernel        7/25/2012 7:25:35 PM 
    ksthunk      Kernel Streaming Thunk Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:58 PM 
    lltdio       Link-Layer Topology Di Kernel        7/25/2012 7:24:02 PM 
    LSI_SAS      LSI_SAS                Kernel        5/11/2012 12:40:21 PM
    LSI_SAS2     LSI_SAS2               Kernel        3/12/2012 1:28:53 PM 
    LSI_SCSI     LSI_SCSI               Kernel        2/21/2012 3:59:35 PM 
    LSI_SSS      LSI_SSS                Kernel        2/21/2012 4:00:12 PM 
    luafv        UAC File Virtualizatio File System   7/25/2012 7:29:13 PM 
    megasas      megasas                Kernel        4/3/2012 12:45:15 PM 
    MegaSR       MegaSR                 Kernel        2/24/2012 10:22:15 AM
    MEIx64       Intel(R) Management En Kernel        10/19/2010 4:33:43 PM
    Modem        Modem                  Kernel        7/25/2012 7:30:07 PM 
    monitor      Microsoft Monitor Clas Kernel        7/25/2012 7:24:55 PM 
    mouclass     Mouse Class Driver     Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:47 PM 
    mouhid       Mouse HID Driver       Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:47 PM 
    mountmgr     Mount Point Manager    Kernel        7/25/2012 7:29:33 PM 
    mpsdrv       Windows Firewall Autho Kernel        7/25/2012 7:23:38 PM 
    MRxDAV       WebDav Client Redirect File System   7/25/2012 7:26:02 PM 
    mrxsmb       SMB MiniRedirector Wra File System   7/25/2012 7:23:24 PM 
    mrxsmb10     SMB 1.x MiniRedirector File System   7/25/2012 7:23:06 PM 
    mrxsmb20     SMB 2.0 MiniRedirector File System   7/25/2012 7:27:00 PM 
    MsBridge     Microsoft MAC Bridge   Kernel        7/25/2012 7:23:17 PM 
    Msfs         Msfs                   File System   7/25/2012 7:30:24 PM 
    msgpiowin32  GPIO Buttons Driver    Kernel        7/25/2012 7:26:27 PM 
    mshidkmdf    Pass-through HID to KM Kernel        7/25/2012 7:29:24 PM 
    mshidumdf    Pass-through HID to UM Kernel        7/25/2012 7:29:14 PM 
    msisadrv     msisadrv               Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:02 PM 
    MSKSSRV      Microsoft Streaming Se Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:55 PM 
    MSPCLOCK     Microsoft Streaming Cl Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:55 PM 
    MSPQM        Microsoft Streaming Qu Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:57 PM 
    MsRPC        MsRPC                  Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:37 PM 
    mssmbios     Microsoft System Manag Kernel        7/25/2012 7:29:19 PM 
    MSTEE        Microsoft Streaming Te Kernel        7/25/2012 7:27:37 PM 
    MTConfig     Microsoft Input Config Kernel        7/25/2012 7:26:11 PM 
    Mup          Mup                    File System   7/25/2012 7:30:00 PM 
    mvumis       mvumis                 Kernel        3/20/2012 12:43:50 AM
    NativeWifiP  NativeWiFi Filter      Kernel        7/25/2012 7:25:11 PM 
    NDIS         NDIS System Driver     Kernel        7/25/2012 7:25:20 PM 
    NdisCap      Microsoft NDIS Capture Kernel        7/25/2012 7:27:30 PM 
    NdisImPlatfo Microsoft Network Adap Kernel        7/25/2012 7:25:01 PM 
    NdisTapi     Remote Access NDIS TAP Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:39 PM 
    Ndisuio      NDIS Usermode I/O Prot Kernel        7/25/2012 7:26:21 PM 
    NdisWan      Remote Access NDIS WAN Kernel        7/25/2012 7:23:13 PM 
    NDISWANLEGAC Remote Access LEGACY N Kernel        7/25/2012 7:23:13 PM 
    NDProxy      NDIS Proxy             Kernel        7/25/2012 7:26:41 PM 
    Ndu          Windows Network Data U Kernel        7/25/2012 7:23:41 PM 
    NetBIOS      NetBIOS Interface      File System   7/25/2012 7:28:19 PM 
    NetBT        NetBT                  Kernel        7/25/2012 7:24:26 PM 
    nfrd960      nfrd960                Kernel        6/6/2006 2:11:48 PM  
    Npfs         Npfs                   File System   7/25/2012 7:30:26 PM 
    npsvctrig    Named pipe service tri Kernel        7/25/2012 7:27:33 PM 
    nsiproxy     NSI Proxy Service Driv Kernel        7/25/2012 7:25:00 PM 
    Ntfs         Ntfs                   File System   7/25/2012 7:27:31 PM 
    Null         Null                   Kernel        7/25/2012 7:30:16 PM 
    nvraid       nvraid                 Kernel        9/12/2011 5:01:54 PM 
    nvstor       nvstor                 Kernel        9/12/2011 4:53:04 PM 
    nv_agp       NVIDIA nForce AGP Bus  Kernel        7/25/2012 7:29:16 PM 
    Parport      Parallel port driver   Kernel        7/25/2012 7:29:53 PM 
    partmgr      Partition Manager      Kernel        7/25/2012 7:30:03 PM 
    pci          PCI Bus Driver         Kernel        7/25/2012 7:27:43 PM 
    pciide       pciide                 Kernel        7/25/2012 7:29:52 PM 
    pcmcia       pcmcia                 Kernel        7/25/2012 7:29:45 PM 
    pcw          Performance Counters f Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:44 PM 
    pdc          pdc                    Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:10 PM 
    PEAUTH       PEAUTH                 Kernel        7/25/2012 7:24:24 PM 
    PptpMiniport WAN Miniport (PPTP)    Kernel        7/25/2012 7:23:13 PM 
    Processor    Processor Driver       Kernel        7/25/2012 7:26:48 PM 
    Psched       QoS Packet Scheduler   Kernel        7/25/2012 7:23:05 PM 
    QWAVEdrv     QWAVE driver           Kernel        7/25/2012 7:29:00 PM 
    RasAcd       Remote Access Auto Con Kernel        7/25/2012 7:29:49 PM 
    RasAgileVpn  WAN Miniport (IKEv2)   Kernel        7/25/2012 7:23:11 PM 
    Rasl2tp      WAN Miniport (L2TP)    Kernel        7/25/2012 7:23:16 PM 
    RasPppoe     Remote Access PPPOE Dr Kernel        7/25/2012 7:24:55 PM 
    RasSstp      WAN Miniport (SSTP)    Kernel        7/25/2012 7:23:59 PM 
    rdbss        Redirected Buffering S File System   7/25/2012 7:25:57 PM 
    rdpbus       Remote Desktop Device  Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:19 PM 
    RDPDR        Remote Desktop Device  Kernel        7/25/2012 7:25:18 PM 
    RdpVideoMini Remote Desktop Video M Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:31 PM 
    RDPWD        RDP Winstation Driver  Kernel        7/25/2012 7:23:24 PM 
    rdyboost     ReadyBoost             Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:34 PM 
    RFCOMM       Bluetooth Device (RFCO Kernel        7/25/2012 7:25:24 PM 
    rspndr       Link-Layer Topology Di Kernel        7/25/2012 7:24:06 PM 
    RTL8168      Realtek 8168 NT Driver Kernel        10/19/2011 5:12:55 AM
    s3cap        s3cap                  Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:16 PM 
    sbp2port     SBP-2 Transport/Protoc Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:48 PM 
    scfilter     Smart card PnP Class F Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:04 PM 
    sdbus        sdbus                  Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:50 PM 
    sdstor       SD Storage Port Driver Kernel        7/25/2012 7:29:11 PM 
    secdrv       Security Driver        Kernel        9/13/2006 6:18:38 AM 
    SensorsAlsDr UMDF Reflector service Kernel        7/25/2012 7:26:06 PM 
    SensorsHIDCl UMDF Reflector service Kernel        7/25/2012 7:26:06 PM 
    SensorsServi UMDF Reflector service Kernel        7/25/2012 7:26:06 PM 
    SensorsSimul UMDF Reflector service Kernel        7/25/2012 7:26:06 PM 
    SerCx        Serial UART Support Li Kernel        7/25/2012 7:26:46 PM 
    Serenum      Serenum Filter Driver  Kernel        7/25/2012 7:30:13 PM 
    Serial       Serial port driver     Kernel        7/25/2012 7:30:01 PM 
    sermouse     Serial Mouse Driver    Kernel        7/25/2012 7:29:50 PM 
    sfloppy      High-Capacity Floppy D Kernel        7/25/2012 7:29:47 PM 
    silabenm     Silicon Labs CP210x US Kernel        5/27/2010 3:13:54 PM 
    silabser     Silicon Labs CP210x US Kernel        1/10/2011 8:41:18 AM 
    SiSRaid2     SiSRaid2               Kernel        9/24/2008 11:28:20 AM
    SiSRaid4     SiSRaid4               Kernel        10/1/2008 2:56:04 PM 
    spaceport    Storage Spaces Driver  Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:36 PM 
    SpbCx        Simple Peripheral Bus  Kernel        7/25/2012 7:26:43 PM 
    srv          Server SMB 1.xxx Drive File System   7/25/2012 7:25:28 PM 
    srv2         Server SMB 2.xxx Drive File System   7/25/2012 7:25:31 PM 
    srvnet       srvnet                 File System   7/25/2012 7:23:17 PM 
    stexstor     stexstor               Kernel        11/18/2011 4:27:32 PM
    storahci     Microsoft Standard SAT Kernel        7/25/2012 7:30:35 PM 
    storflt      Hyper-V Storage Accele Kernel        7/25/2012 7:25:47 PM 
    storvsc      storvsc                Kernel        7/25/2012 7:26:51 PM 
    storvsp      storvsp                Kernel        7/25/2012 7:25:22 PM 
    swenum       Software Bus Driver    Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:53 PM 
    Synth3dVsc   Microsoft Virtual 3D V Kernel        7/25/2012 7:26:55 PM 
    Tcpip        TCP/IP Protocol Driver Kernel        7/25/2012 7:26:24 PM 
    TCPIP6       Microsoft IPv6 Protoco Kernel        7/25/2012 7:26:24 PM 
    tcpipreg     TCP/IP Registry Compat Kernel        7/25/2012 7:23:13 PM 
    tdx          NetIO Legacy TDI Suppo Kernel        7/25/2012 7:24:58 PM 
    terminpt     Microsoft Remote Deskt Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:53 PM 
    TPM          TPM                    Kernel        7/25/2012 7:25:28 PM 
    TsUsbFlt     TsUsbFlt               Kernel        7/25/2012 7:25:55 PM 
    TsUsbGD      Remote Desktop Generic Kernel        7/25/2012 7:26:34 PM 
    tsusbhub     tsusbhub               Kernel        7/25/2012 7:23:42 PM 
    tunnel       Microsoft Tunnel Minip Kernel        7/25/2012 7:23:04 PM 
    uagp35       Microsoft AGPv3.5 Filt Kernel        7/25/2012 7:29:13 PM 
    UASPStor     USB Attached SCSI (UAS Kernel        7/25/2012 7:27:04 PM 
    UCX01000     USB Controller Extensi Kernel        7/25/2012 7:26:09 PM 
    udfs         udfs                   File System   7/25/2012 7:30:18 PM 
    uliagpkx     Uli AGP Bus Filter     Kernel        7/25/2012 7:29:15 PM 
    umbus        UMBus Enumerator Drive Kernel        7/25/2012 7:27:39 PM 
    UmPass       Microsoft UMPass Drive Kernel        7/25/2012 7:27:36 PM 
    usbaudio     USB Audio Driver (WDM) Kernel        7/25/2012 7:26:27 PM 
    usbccgp      Microsoft USB Generic  Kernel        7/25/2012 7:27:06 PM 
    usbcir       eHome Infrared Receive Kernel        7/25/2012 7:27:07 PM 
    usbehci      Microsoft USB 2.0 Enha Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:48 PM 
    usbhub       Microsoft USB Standard Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:35 PM 
    USBHUB3      SuperSpeed Hub         Kernel        7/25/2012 7:25:37 PM 
    usbohci      Microsoft USB Open Hos Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:59 PM 
    usbprint     Microsoft USB PRINTER  Kernel        7/25/2012 7:24:50 PM 
    USBSTOR      USB Mass Storage Drive Kernel        7/25/2012 7:27:04 PM 
    usbuhci      Microsoft USB Universa Kernel        7/25/2012 7:29:00 PM 
    usbvideo     USB Video Device (WDM) Kernel        7/25/2012 7:26:03 PM 
    USBXHCI      USB xHCI Compliant Hos Kernel        7/25/2012 7:25:46 PM 
    vdrvroot     Microsoft Virtual Driv Kernel        7/25/2012 7:27:29 PM 
    VerifierExt  VerifierExt            Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:18 PM 
    vhdmp        vhdmp                  Kernel        7/25/2012 7:25:44 PM 
    viaide       viaide                 Kernel        7/25/2012 7:29:52 PM 
    Vid          Vid                    Kernel        7/25/2012 7:25:26 PM 
    vmbus        Virtual Machine Bus    Kernel        7/25/2012 7:25:11 PM 
    VMBusHID     VMBusHID               Kernel        7/25/2012 7:27:34 PM 
    vmbusr       Virtual Machine Bus Pr Kernel        7/25/2012 7:25:12 PM 
    volmgr       Volume Manager Driver  Kernel        7/25/2012 7:29:22 PM 
    volmgrx      Dynamic Volume Manager Kernel        7/25/2012 7:29:59 PM 
    volsnap      Storage volumes        Kernel        7/25/2012 7:30:26 PM 
    vpci         Microsoft Hyper-V Virt Kernel        7/25/2012 7:25:12 PM 
    vpcivsp      Microsoft Hyper-V PCI  Kernel        7/25/2012 7:25:12 PM 
    vsmraid      vsmraid                Kernel        1/31/2012 11:55:18 AM
    VSPerfDrv110 Performance Tools Driv Kernel        7/1/2012 8:25:47 PM  
    VSTXRAID     VIA StorX Storage Cont Kernel        3/26/2012 10:42:56 AM
    vwifibus     Virtual WiFi Bus Drive Kernel        7/25/2012 7:27:54 PM 
    vwififlt     Virtual WiFi Filter Dr Kernel        7/25/2012 7:26:39 PM 
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    Wanarp       Remote Access IP ARP D Kernel        7/25/2012 7:23:07 PM 
    Wanarpv6     Remote Access IPv6 ARP Kernel        7/25/2012 7:23:07 PM 
    Wd           Microsoft Watchdog Tim Kernel        7/25/2012 7:30:12 PM 
    WdBoot       Windows Defender Boot  Kernel        7/25/2012 7:28:04 PM 
    Wdf01000     Kernel Mode Driver Fra Kernel        7/25/2012 7:25:13 PM 
    WdFilter     Windows Defender Mini- File System   7/25/2012 7:29:23 PM 
    WFPLWFS      Microsoft Windows Filt Kernel        7/25/2012 7:23:58 PM 
    WIMMount     WIMMount               File System   7/25/2012 7:29:45 PM 
    WmiAcpi      Microsoft Windows Mana Kernel        7/25/2012 7:29:53 PM 
    wpcfltr      Family Safety Filter D Kernel        7/25/2012 7:25:13 PM 
    WpdUpFltr    WPD Upper Class Filter Kernel        7/25/2012 7:27:29 PM 
    ws2ifsl      Winsock IFS Driver     Kernel        7/25/2012 7:29:29 PM 
    WudfPf       User Mode Driver Frame Kernel        7/25/2012 7:26:45 PM 
    WUDFRd       Windows Driver Foundat Kernel        7/25/2012 7:26:06 PM 
    WUDFSensorLP UMDF Reflector service Kernel        7/25/2012 7:26:06 PM 
    WUDFWpdFs    WUDFWpdFs              Kernel        7/25/2012 7:26:06 PM 

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    cbae

    , DeathBy​VisualStudio wrote

    @cbae: Dude you seriously need to get over yourself on the downloaded, installed DVD on crap hardware stuff. This is RTM software. This is what OEMs are going to ship. That's what Grandma is gonna buy on a new computer she gets from Best Buy -- you know comparable to buying an brand new iPad or MacBook.

    Dude, you need to get over yourself on thinking your particular hardware is what's going to be sold by OEMs. Grandma ain't going to be getting the same year-old hardware as you currently have. Grandma is going to get brand new hardware that's been tested by the OEM over and over again with drivers that have been updated by the peripheral manufacturers.

    Beyond bad drivers and browser crashes I'm sure she's going to love the quality apps included in her brand new W8 PC; you know like the Mail app that instantly crashed on me when adding my Gmail account. I haven't are near as many hang-ups and crashes so back-to-back on any of the previews.

    You must have one really jacked up deployment. I've set-up my Gmail account in Windows 8 Mail on 3 different machines without any problems.

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    Dr Herbie

    @DeathByVisualStudio: What cbae is essentially saying is that OEMs will have ironed all these issues out before they release to Grandma (including writing new drivers if needed), making the OOB experience on the new hardware with Win8 pre-installed very similar to the experience with an iPad (but with varying amounts of crapware).

    Herbie

     

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , Dr Herbie wrote

    @DeathByVisualStudio: What cbae is essentially saying is that OEMs will have ironed all these issues out before they release to Grandma (including writing new drivers if needed), making the OOB experience on the new hardware with Win8 pre-installed very similar to the experience with an iPad (but with varying amounts of crapware).

    Herbie 

    I understand what cbae is saying but I disagree. Driver issues can happen for any OEM especially if they use common parts or if the driver is Microsoft provided or some related OS flaw. OEM crapware only further adds to screwy acting systems. Add these two together on a new PC and Grandma will have a better experience on a new iPad or MacBook. I'm not saying I like that predicament for Microsoft. I'm just acknowledging that it exists and it sucks.

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    AndyC

    @DeathByVisualStudio: The point is to fail fast, so that the issue gets picked up as early as possible (ideally before an OEM ever ships the device). If your machine wasn't blue screening, the bug would still be there but chances are it'd take a lot longer for it to get picked up, isolated and resolved and in the mean time it might well be the cause of "random" crashes and or data corruption.

    Being an early adopter of an OS on (effectively) untested hardware, you kind of have to expect this kind of thing. If you want the best end-user experience then best wait till Windows 8 hardware that's fully tested with the OS comes out.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    @AndyC: I'll have to remember that the next time Granny's current PC and future PCs blue screen... "Hey Granny didn't you know it's for the greater good? You should be happy your PC is blue screening."

    A lot has been said about what Microsoft would fix or improve before release and I just don't see that happening. They're trying to be a lot of different things to a lot of different people and it's feeling a lot like Vista -- drivers et all. We'll see what happens upon final release.

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    cbae

    , DeathBy​VisualStudio wrote

    *snip*

    I understand what cbae is saying but I disagree. Driver issues can happen for any OEM especially if they use common parts or if the driver is Microsoft provided or some related OS flaw. OEM crapware only further adds to screwy acting systems. Add these two together on a new PC and Grandma will have a better experience on a new iPad or MacBook. I'm not saying I like that predicament for Microsoft. I'm just acknowledging that it exists and it sucks.

    Driver issues can happen, sure. But OEMs don't slap together parts from NewEgg, install the OS, and call it a day. They source components from specific peripheral makers and install the drivers that they get directly from that supplier. Drivers for some devices, like for display adapters, are even specially designed for the OEM. The installers for some of these drivers do hardware checks to prevent installation on another OEM's hardware. Do you honestly think that OEMs go through that level of effort to get specific drivers for their hardware and then do no testing of those drivers? Seriously?

    You're taking this as opportunity to rant about Windows 8, but what you're really really complaining about is that the stock driver that comes with Windows 8 doesn't work with the specific peripheral on your computer. Who's fault is that? Is Microsoft responsible for making sure that the latest drivers for every known peripheral on the planet be part of the Windows 8 installer? Of course not. If you're going to do any complaining, complain to the peripheral maker for not submitting the latest drivers for their 2, 3, 5, 6 year old peripherals for WHQL testing.

    I take responsibility for installing Windows 8 on 6-year old hardware, and that's why I look for hacked video drivers myself instead of b1tching to Microsoft about it. I know it's not Microsoft's responsibility and I know nVidia will NEVER update the drivers for video card older than a couple of years.

    If you want the Apple OOBE, go buy yourself a MacBook Pro and be done with it. Or go buy one that was designed for Windows 8 from Dell, HP, ASUS, or Lenovo like Grandma will.

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    PaoloM

    , DeathBy​VisualStudio wrote

    *snip*

    I understand what cbae is saying but I disagree. Driver issues can happen for any OEM especially if they use common parts or if the driver is Microsoft provided or some related OS flaw. OEM crapware only further adds to screwy acting systems. Add these two together on a new PC and Grandma will have a better experience on a new iPad or MacBook.

    {citation needed}

    As a powerful counterpoint, I'll present my anectodal experience of setting up Windows 8 on my ultrabook (November 2011) and my desktop (frankenbuild with a Core2 Duo E6600) with exactly zero issues.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    @cbae: Like I said it smells a lot like Vista... OEMs with all of their tested, certified drivers didn't produce Vista era PCs that were blue-screenless. I had both an brand new HP and Gateway PC -- both shipped with Vista -- during that timeframe that both required driver updates before they were stable under Vista. I remember thinking "How the h3ll could they ship PCs that were defective right OOB like this?". Being that it wasn't brand centric it was easy to blame Microsoft like so many did (right, wrong, or indifferent) as so many did back then.

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    cbae

    , DeathBy​VisualStudio wrote

    @cbae: Like I said it smells a lot like Vista... OEMs with all of their tested, certified drivers didn't produce Vista era PCs that were blue-screenless. I had both an brand new HP and Gateway PC -- both shipped with Vista -- during that timeframe that both required driver updates before they were stable under Vista. I remember thinking "How the h3ll could they ship PCs that were defective right OOB like this?". Being that it wasn't brand centric it was easy to blame Microsoft like so many did (right, wrong, or indifferent) as so many did back then.

    You're installing Windows 8 on a machine that didn't ship with Windows 8 and based on your anecdotal experience assume that this is going to be another Vista situation with machines that are specifically designed for Windows 8. You see no problem with that?

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