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    deedubb

    Hey. I realize I'm showing my ignorance to advancing technologies but for us old timers (I'm 29) that like Windows 7 the way it is but also like to ride the future wave; is there a registry hack or something we can do to get the start menu back on Windows 8? Or am I just going to have to install it and complain for 3 weeks straight while I adapt?

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    @deedubb: Since Microsoft provides no means themselves to restore the start orb one can only assume the "complain for 3 weeks straight while I adapt" plan is their desire. It's part of their "No Compromises" strategy -- you know the one where they provide no compromises to their strategy.

    Fortunately there are some emerging 3rd party tools that you can use:

     

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    magicalclick

    @deedubb:

    You can download 3rd party app if they removed start menu. I have build a simple file luncher before, so, it is actually quite easy to just crawl the Start Menu folders and display it on my own app. So, if no one makes it, I will. It probably is not professional good looking, but, it will work ok.

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    Maddus Mattus

    What annoys me the most, is that start menu loses it's scroll position when reactivated.

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    evildictait​or

    , DeathByVisualStudio wrote

    @deedubb: Since Microsoft provides no means themselves to restore the start orb one can only assume the "complain for 3 weeks straight while I adapt" plan is their desire. It's part of their "No Compromises" strategy -- you know the one where they provide no compromises to their strategy.

    Fortunately there are some emerging 3rd party tools that you can use:

    If you have such uniform hatred of Windows-8, including IE, metro, the start-menu and their business-model, why upgrade to Windows-8 and then downgrade the UI with hacks, when you could just stick with Windows7?

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    Maddus Mattus

    @evildictaitor: I love the speed of the OS, file copies are now lightning fast!

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    evildictait​or

    , Maddus Mattus wrote

    @evildictaitor: I love the speed of the OS, file copies are now lightning fast!

    Is it a REFS drive? Or have they sped up NTFS as well?

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , evildictaitor wrote

    *snip*

    If you have such uniform hatred of Windows-8, including IE, metro, the start-menu and their business-model, why upgrade to Windows-8 and then downgrade the UI with hacks, when you could just stick with Windows7?

    Wow. Who's the one filled with uniformed hate here? Thanks for bolding and underscoring the "my way or the highway" attitude Microsoft (and particularly the Windows division) seems to have these days. Oh, poor me. EvilD has kicked me out of the upgrade club.

    As Maddus pointed out there are a number of improvement that I do like; performance being one of them. The new task manager, file management progress dialogs, and even the ribbon on the Explorer I like. So I'm supposed to just deal with the holes that Microsoft has needlessly carved into into the OS and not fill them? Am I supposed to just sit on the sidelines and just hope Microsoft will do the right thing or do I install the CP and file numerous issues, suggestions, and other feedback through their official reporting channels? Oh that's right Microsoft only wants to receive good feedback since they've already made their mind up. You're right; what the * am I doing needlessly pissing up a tree? Thank you oh great EvilD for letting me see the errors of my ways.

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    winxpclient

    For the Classic Shell Start Menu, if you want a Windows 7/Windows Vista style Start Menu with a search box which is selected by default when you open the menu, go to the Search Box tab in settings and check "Selected by default" and select the "Access normally" radio button. All the settings in Classic Shell are self-explanatory but if you still need help, just hover over any setting and tooltip help will be displayed. You can use any skin with two columns to make it work and look exactly like the Windows 7/Vista Start Menu. It doesn't have file/document search, never will because they will require indexing, it only has program and Control Panel settings search.

    The trick is to customize, customize, customize as the defaults in all three components are simple and bare minimum. It is infinitely customizable. You can save and restore all your settings in all three components. Classic Shell's other two components, Classic Explorer and Classic IE9 also add many missing features back to Windows.

    Comparison of Classic Shell Menu and Windows Start Menu

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    vesuvius

    , Maddus Mattus wrote

    @evildictaitor: I love the speed of the OS, file copies are now lightning fast!

    For me, powering on and getting to the login screen is super fast, and more importantly, after logging in, I can run applications immediately, unlike on Windows 7 where you need to leave the machine for a few minutes before you run any applications

     

    Windows 8 saves 5 minutes of your life, every time you cold start. I am using a pretty good SSD on Win 8, but use a traditional hard drive when I toggle to Windows 7.

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    evildictait​or

    , DeathByVisualStudio wrote

    Oh, poor me. EvilD has kicked me out of the upgrade club.

    I think you probably need to get over yourself. I don't particularly care whether or not you upgrade. One thing's for sure. You going on and on about how you hate Windows8 doesn't change any of the features that will or won't ship in Windows8.

    So I'm supposed to just deal with the holes that Microsoft has needlessly carved into into the OS and not fill them? Am I supposed to just sit on the sidelines and just hope Microsoft will do the right thing or do I install the CP and file numerous issues, suggestions, and other feedback through their official reporting channels? Oh that's right Microsoft only wants to receive good feedback since they've already made their mind up. You're right; what the * am I doing needlessly pissing up a tree? Thank you oh great EvilD for letting me see the errors of my ways.

    I think you'll find that Microsoft only listens to constructive feedback. If you say "Using the new start menu has made me less efficient", Microsoft might engage with you. If you say "I WANT MY START MENU, waaaaa! Mooommy, Microsoft took my start menu, they're so mean, I'm going to stomp my little feet until they put it back in. I'm going to buy Windows8 and binary patch it back to Windows7, that's how mad I am", then everyone will just ignore you.

    If you really want to get heard, vote with your wallet and skip Windows8 altogether, or jump to Linux or Mac. Microsoft might really listen then.

    If you choose to give Microsoft money and install Microsoft Windows on your computer, you'll just have to live with the design decisions that Microsoft makes - the good and the bad.

    Metro IE doesn't have ActiveX. Windows8 has no start-menu. Get over it.

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    spivonious

    , deedubb wrote

    Hey. I realize I'm showing my ignorance to advancing technologies but for us old timers (I'm 29) that like Windows 7 the way it is but also like to ride the future wave; is there a registry hack or something we can do to get the start menu back on Windows 8? Or am I just going to have to install it and complain for 3 weeks straight while I adapt?

    I think you'll find that after three weeks, you won't miss the start menu at all. That's how it happened with me. Definitely learn some keyboard shortcuts though. Win+I, Win+C, Win+F.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    @evildictaitor: I think the only crying going on here is you when someone, god forbid, says anything "constructive" about IE.

     

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    magicalclick

    @DeathByVisualStudio:

    You don't have to yell that hard. MS brought back UP button and QuickLaunch Bar. So, don't worry.

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    evildictait​or

    , DeathByVisualStudio wrote

    @evildictaitor: I think the only crying going on here is you when someone, god forbid, says anything "constructive" about IE.

    I'm not sure I remember you ever saying anything constructive about IE. You said "There are no ActiveX objects in Metro IE - what a fail", I explained why Microsoft made the decision it did, any then you went into a big hissy fit about how IE was crap and you hated Microsoft.

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    Heywood_J

    , evildictaitor wrote

    *snip*

    why upgrade to Windows-8 and then downgrade the UI with hacks, when you could just stick with Windows7?

    And I will bet that's exactly what a lot of people will do.  I predict that Windows 7 will become the new Windows XP -- still heavily used 10 years from now.

     

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    Craig_​Matthews

    , evildictaitor wrote

    I think you'll find that Microsoft only listens to constructive feedback. If you say "Using the new start menu has made me less efficient", Microsoft might engage with you.

    This is incorrect. General opposition to the removal of the start menu from the desktop app has been about the loss of visual context between the Metroesque full screen start screen and multiple desktop apps when performing ad-hoc, on the fly searching from the desktop or accessing "tier 2 frequency" apps (not frequent enough for taskbar pinning, but frequent enough to be on an MRU) without being blocked from seeing what they're looking at. For example, how would I search for something if I need to reference something I'm looking at in a desktop application while typing my search query? Don't answer -- my point is --

    These are the constructive criticisms that have been made for months about the loss of the start menu and all we've heard from Microsoft, the people who work there, the people here, and the Microsoft fan press (Thurott, et. al) is that:

    1. People are mad because the actual orb is gone, ignorning the functionality criticism, and suggesting that people use third party apps to put a PICTURE of a button there.

    2. Responses like "All I'm hearing is blah blah blah -- I hate change."

    3. People who don't feel they should lose visual context of their work while searching are suffering from a mental disorder (no joke -read Thurrott)

    People are complaining about the loss of the start menu, and people who like this change are setting up straw man reasons for why people complaining -- and that includes all of those people I mentioned above.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , evildictaitor wrote

    *snip*

    I'm not sure I remember you ever saying anything constructive about IE. You said "There are no ActiveX objects in Metro IE - what a fail", I explained why Microsoft made the decision it did, any then you went into a big hissy fit about how IE was crap and you hated Microsoft.

    LOL. I give valid issues about Metro IE and all you turn them into "hissy fit". You response on the contrary is quite the hissy fit, defending everything Microsoft has done with Metro IE, crying about how IE has been unjustly labeled as slow and insecure. "You can always use the desktop version" excuse is nothing more than "you're holding it wrong." If I'm on a tablet I want some of the richness that IE has offered in the past: navigation history popup (so I can jump over redirected URLs), favorites, streaming media, accelerators for things like search and translation. On a tablet I don't want to be relegated to the desktop where my touch experience isn't so stellar. You're so hung up on ActiveX and defending the IE team you can't even see that I'm not asking for ActiveX, I'm asking for the functionality that they left on the cutting room floor when they dropped ActiveX support. IMO if people are going to have a better respect for IE like you want then Microsoft needs to avoid crippling Metro IE. They need to exceed what Apple and Google have going for them on their tablets.

    Spot on post Craig. No one wants to hear that their creation has issues but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be said.

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