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  • Dr Herbie

    ,ankur1234 wrote

    works great with virtualbox.  Now still need to learn the tricks.  where is notepad, where is the run command, etc.  Do not install Office 2010 it will hand the machine and now you will have to troubleshoot.  I am still trying networking works great.  Could not find the command prompt but manually browsed to the c:\windows\system32\cmd.exe and got to the command prompt.  It actually runs some apps which were written in 1995-96 to work only on DOS.

    In the keynote, they showed that just typing 'cmd' from the Metro screen takes you to search and finds cmd.exe on the disk. Probably the same for notepad.

    Herbie

  • rpb

    Wouldn't work on Virtual PC (HAL error), but I got it working on Hyper-V Manager 6.1.7600.16385.  Very quick install - around 8 minutes.

     

    It seems very hard to use without a touch screen, though.  I haven't yet worked out how to close any of the programs I open because they are all full screen - I guess I'm missing a Menu hardware button.  I've resorted to killing each one with Task Manager (via Ctrl+Alt+Del) and then using Task Manager's App History tab to start some of the others - I've lost the Metro Home screen somewhere!  Oh, wait, if I click on the blank screen I get after killing an app it reappears!

     

    Some of the sample apps also seem to use 100% CPU (the graphics-intensive ones in particular) and that brings the VM to a stuttering halt.

     

    That Start screen is going to get some getting used to, though.  Every time you hit Start the whole desktop disappears to be replaced by the Start screen...

  • MasterPi

    I finally got it installing (without the BSOD) in Virtualbox by following this tutorial

  • new2STL

    Downloaded, burned and installed on real machine. Running like a charm on an 'old' ASUS P5NSLI (Intel Core2 Duo E6300, 4GB, GeForce 9600GT).

    Clean install, dual boot with Windows 7.

    Figuring out now how to do C++ stuff with Visual Studio 11 Perplexed

  • cbae

    Has anybody figured out how to get the old start menu back? There are no settings in the task bar properties for the start menu. The "Start Menu" tab in the task bar properties dialog has changed to "Jump  Lists". It's going to piss off a lot of people if you can't get the old style start menu back. It was bad enough when the start menu changed so drastically from XP to Vista/7 style.

  • Sven Groot

    I managed to install in a VHD, which worked (even though the setup said it couldn't install it on the VHD, it did so anyway Perplexed ) although it's not exactly the fastest way to run Windows, it seems. Some stuff like creating my user profile took very long.

    That start menu is already bothering me. What's the equivalent of start, right-click computer, manage in this system? Or start followed by any of the libraries? I use those a lot. It's going to take a lot of time to get used to it. The whole immersive experience is also still pretty buggy, but that's to be expected at this point.

    Heck, even logging off is complicated. You need to open the start screen, click your user tile on the opposite side of the screen, and then pick log off. Okay, so ctrl-alt-del works too but this is fairly stupid.

    What Windows is lacking now is a non-intrusive way to start applications that aren't pinned to the task bar, or to do searches. Having to switch to this start screen, hiding everything else, just to start notepad is insane. And where's my list of frequent apps? I use that a lot as well.

    It also seems that if you create an account using a Windows Live account it automatically means you need to log in with the password for the Windows Live account (unless you create a PIN) which is a very long and complicated password in my case (because I hardly ever need to type it). Not very nice.

    I also think the whole concept of "immersive apps" is flawed on the desktop. I want games and movies to be immersive, not apps! I don't run anything fullscreen. There's lots of stuff I don't even run maximized. This whole "one thing at a time" (or maybe two if you snap one to the side or something) just doesn't strike me as useful on the desktop, but by removing the old start screen it's forcing me in that UI every time I want to launch something.

    The other changes they've made on the desktop side of things are pretty nice, such as the multi-monitor taskbar, the new task manager, I even quite like explorer with the ribbon. But this immersive stuff has not left a good first impression. I just don't see why I would want it on the desktop. I want a way to use Windows without ever having to see a full screen immersive app, ever.

  • cbae

    ,Sven Groot wrote

    That start menu is already bothering me. What's the equivalent of start, right-click computer, manage in this system? 

    Right-click on "Computer" from the new ginormous "Start Menu". A context menu slides up from the bottom. Click "Advanced". Select "Manage".

  • Michael Butler

    Having first tried it in a Virtual Box VM and finding the experience unsatisfactory, I've now installed it on my Acer Aspire Tablet PC. And I'm in love with it. Even this old hardware has a smooth touch experience. There are tell-tale signs that this is a developer preview but as a whole it does work very well. Off to try and build my first Metro app.

  • Sven Groot

    ,cbae wrote

    *snip*

    Right-click on "Computer" from the new ginormous "Start Menu". A context menu slides up from the bottom. Click "Advanced". Select "Manage".

    Well, at least it's in there. But like everything else, it seems like I'm zigzagging all over the place to get there.

    I just rebooted into Win7, and here's how I had to reboot: bring mouse to the bottom left of the screen (hover over start button), click settings, bring mouse to the bottom right of the screen, click power, click restart!

    And that's not the only place where I feel this happens. This left/right thing might not be much of a problem if you're using touch, but for a mouse user it feels like this is "Windows 8: because you're constantly making figure 8s with your mouse to get at stuff".

    EDIT: I'm liking the system wide spell-check, by the way. It even has a Dutch dictionary (unexpected considering not even the English version of Office comes with Dutch proofing tools without having to buy the Dutch language pack).

  • cbae

    ,Sven Groot wrote

    *snip*

    I just rebooted into Win7, and here's how I had to reboot: bring mouse to the bottom left of the screen (hover over start button), click settings, bring mouse to the bottom right of the screen, click power, click restart!

    *snip*

    I think Microsoft went overboard in this crusade to show the tech world "we understand touch". They forgot that while we have two hands for touch gestures, we still have only one mouse cursor. They may need to add dual mouse support. Smiley

  • ankur1234

    I CRASHED IT.  ALL IT TOOK WAS INSTALLING OFFICE APPS.

  • ankur1234

    Its funny how it asked me for the windows liveID during my first install but now it does not.  I can create a user.  Is it just me or the 2AM install i was doing.

  • spivonious

    I was afraid that the mouse users would suffer when I saw the neat two-hand touch repositioning of items on the start screen. Is there any option to start up at the desktop?

  • Sven Groot

    @spivonious: No, there's no such option, and even if there were, you still need to use the Metro UI to launch stuff. There's no regular start menu anymore. Sad

  • davewill

    Regedit says the shell is still explorer.exe...hmmm...so much for that idea.

     

  • v_2vikg

    download the latest VMware workstation 8, win 8, installs like a charm

     

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