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Windows 8 flops, and Microsoft are to blame

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    kettch

    @Ian2: I'm hoping that with this somebody will finally build a 4:3 device. If I could figure out how to get Windows RT to run on an iPad mini, I'd be all over that.

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    wastingtime​withforums

    , kettch wrote

    *snip*

    The start menu was becoming a sad attempt at a central hub

    Especially as a central hub it beats anything metro in W8 by a wide margin.

    Start->Control Panel.

    Swipe-in-corner->Charms->Settings->Control Panel.

    Same double-effort with shutdown, printer window etc.

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    wastingtime​withforums

    , cbae wrote

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    No, it shows that market performance of immersive IE on tablets is bad. I own a Surface RT, but I use desktop IE 99% of the time. The 1% of the time that I use immersive IE is when another Metro app launches it.

    Speaks immensely for metro..

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    Jim Young

    , wastingtime​withforums wrote

    *snip*

    Especially as a central hub it beats anything metro in W8 by a wide margin.

    Start->Control Panel.

    Swipe-in-corner->Charms->Settings->Control Panel.

    Same double-effort with shutdown, printer window etc.

    Windows->X -> Just about every system option you need.

    I never shut down my Surface RT. What's the point? Just close the keyboard or press the power button to put it to sleep.

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    Jim Young

    , wastingtime​withforums wrote

    *snip*

    Speaks immensely for metro..

    Each to his own. I use Metro 99% of the time on my Surface RT.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , Jim Young wrote

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    Each to his own. I use Metro 99% of the time on my Surface RT.

    Like you have much of a choice. The desktop is a ghost town on Windows RT.

    If we all believed in unicorns and fairies the world would be a better place.
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    kettch

    , DeathBy​VisualStudio wrote

    *snip*

    Like you have much of a choice. The desktop is a ghost town on Windows RT.

    Good. The desktop works fine for a mouse and keyboard, but shouldn't even exist on an RT device. I'm hoping that it just goes away when Office RT lands.

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    wastingtime​withforums

    , Jim Young wrote

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    Windows->X -> Just about every system option you need.

    That menu is nice but hidden. It's funny how DOSy W8 is.

    Keyboard shortcuts are a big deal now, hidden commands and functions everywhere - like the start screen that shows absolutely no indication that it is actually searchable, yet it is. "All Programs" button is hidden and needs to be conjured up on a pane, that is hidden too.. same logic of flow in the full screen chromeless apps. It's way worse than the much-panned right-click menu.

    No visual indication, - you need to know! Just like you needed to know DOS commands.

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    cbae

    , wastingtime​withforums wrote

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    Speaks immensely for metro..

    No, it speaks immensely for the inability to view more than one web page at a time using immersive IE. If it allowed viewing multiple tabs and 50-50 split, I'd use it more often. This is an inability of immersive IE, not the Metro paradigm.

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    cbae

    , wastingtime​withforums wrote

    *snip*

    That menu is nice but hidden. It's funny how DOSy W8 is.

    *snip*

    It's actually a context menu. You can right click on the start screen thumbnail to invoke it. Are you going to b!tch and moan about context menus in Windows 7 being "hidden" as well?

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    blowdart

    BTW Mac sales are down too. Is that Windows 8's fault?

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    wastingtime​withforums

    , cbae wrote

    *snip*

    It's actually a context menu. You can right click on the start screen thumbnail to invoke it. Are you going to b!tch and moan about context menus in Windows 7 being "hidden" as well?

    There is no sign that this menu exists, and Microsoft doesn't make any effort to make it known to the users.

    Metro hobbled the central-hub element completely, and the only effective remedy is hidden without any hint. Who would think that you need to right click on the start screen thumbnail to invoke something of such significant importance?

    If you right-clicked on the start button in previous versions, nothing even remotely similar came up.

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    Ray7

    , cbae wrote

    In other news:  http://www.cnbc.com/id/100631377

    *snip*

    Maybe this mobile device orgy we've seen the past 6 years is about to come to end. People are sick of eating ramen to pay for their shiny toys.

    One small detail: Foxconn makes devices for everybody. Such a massive drop in sales could be attributed to decreasing demand for iDevices ... or the total collapse of the PC market.

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    Ray7

    , blowdart wrote

    BTW Mac sales are down too. Is that Windows 8's fault?

    Well, that depends on who you ask.

    http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2013/04/11/apple-mac-gartner-idc/

     

     

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    wastingtime​withforums

    , blowdart wrote

    BTW Mac sales are down too.



    There's down and there's down..

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    That dell runs XP..

     

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    "Global PC shipments plunged 14 percent in the first three months of 2013, according to newly released figures from market research firm IDC."

    "It's the steepest decline since 1994, when IDC began keeping records for the device."

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    http://www.zdnet.com/idc-global-pc-shipments-plunge-in-worst-drop-in-a-generation-7000013839/

    Mega-drop around the time of W8's market introduction? Windows 8 is innocent! Ignore his blood-stained hands!

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    cbae

    , Ray7 wrote

    *snip*

    One small detail: Foxconn makes devices for everybody. Such a massive drop in sales could be attributed to decreasing demand for iDevices ... or the total collapse of the PC market.

    But global PC shipments were down 14%. That means whatever portion of their sales from iOS devices, which presumably constitutes less than 100% of FoxConn's total, had to have dropped even more than 19%. It would actually look better for Apple if 100% of FoxConn's business came from Apple.

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    blowdart

    Plus it's not all bad.

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    cbae

    @wastingtimewithforums: And after those Apple products, there are about 85+ Windows PCs in the best seller list.

    The Windows PC market could go gangbusters, but Apple would still be on top because they offer only a handful of models.

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