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Windows 8 - not for me

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  • figuerres

    So after messing with Windows 8 on my HP TX2 I have came to the point that i just re-loaded Windows 7 on it.

    I have several friends and we all agree that for a desktop windows 8 is just not going to work.

    for an arm tablet it might be ok. but for a lot of normal use -  FORGET IT!

    my take:    Dell, HP and other OEM's will wind up with customers demanding that new desktops ship with Windows 7 not 8.   I also think that the press will have a good ole time with talking about how consumers reject windows 8.

    This the first version of windows i have had that i do not like, i did not ever see Windows Me, that one i skipped.

  • contextfree`

    What specifically are the problems you're having with it?

  • Maddus Mattus

    I miss the old start menu in desktop mode. New one is a pain for setting up a desktop system.

  • figuerres

    , contextfree` wrote

    What specifically are the problems you're having with it?

     

    I do not like the new way of starting programs.  not for non-metro apps.

    I think metro on a tablet might be ok.  but not for non-metro use.

    also the mail app sucks.

    basicly I just do not want it for my desktop or laptop.

     

    when the  full tablets come out later i will try that out.

  • Heywood_J

    , figuerres wrote

    for an arm tablet it might be ok. but for a lot of normal use -  FORGET IT!

    That's the biggest problem with Windows 8 -- trying to make a "one size fits all" operating system.  It just doesn't work.  Tablets and desktops are two completely different things. 

    I'm not a fan of Apple, but they got it right --- OSX for the desktop and iOS for the iPad and iPhone.  Microsoft should have done the same --- Windows 8 for Desktops which would retain the basic design of Windows 7 and continue the evolution of Vista --> Win 7 --> Win 8 and a separate Windows 8 Metro for tablets and phones.

     

  • Ray7

    , Heywood_J wrote

    *snip*That's the biggest problem with Windows 8 -- trying to make a "one size fits all" operating system.  It just doesn't work.  Tablets and desktops are two completely different things. 

    Seems so obvious, doesn't it?

     

  • figuerres

    , Ray7 wrote

    *snip*

    Seems so obvious, doesn't it?

     

    Yeah.... like huge, i saw / read / heard the bit about "Windows 8 no compromise" but to me it's a bad kluge attempring to force two sets of things into one box.  And that just does not work for anyone i have spoke with. 

    to be clear:  this does not mean that you can't use windows 8, this does not mean that it is "not useable" .

    This just means that I do not like what they did and will not make it my everyday desktop and laptop OS.

    *IF* this does turn out really bad for Microsoft I hope the rank and file staff do not suffer to much for the failure of the leadership to see this coming.  *IF* i worked for them this would be a point where i would really have to controll my words about how bad this mistake is....

     

    well we shall see where it all ends up.

  • spivonious

    I think the biggest things dragging down opinions of Windows 8 are the crappy preview apps. Email app that won't automatically sync and only displays the inbox by default? Photo viewer that is limited to viewing by folder or by date?

    I think Windows 8 may be the start of MS getting out of the consumer market. IBM v2.

  • SteveRichter

    , figuerres wrote

    This the first version of windows i have had that i do not like, i did not ever see Windows Me, that one i skipped.

    For me, I have to find out what WinRT is all about. If it is as good as .NET and enables users to run 3rd party apps without concern of a virus, windows 8 will be a platform I want to use.

     

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  • magicalclick

    @spivonious:

    That's how I feel. The Metro Apps are half baked. Sure there are plenty of 6 months to improve, but, how much can they improve? Movie/Music not only takes a long time to launch, but, is also very slow at runtime, GUI transitions are extremely slow. Mail not only like what you said, it doesn't sync old emails in my hotmail inbox. No decent file explore. No Fav List. No "save this picture".

    The statement of "no compromise" is just pure irritation. Because sure, there is "no compromise", when Metro Apps failed so terribly, I simply go back to Desktop. Use better desktop WMP, Mail, IE, Windows Explore, copy and save a picture, and etc. But then, if I constantly have to go to desktop for simple tasks, why should I go back to Metro when it doesn't work? Why should I use Metro when the "real no compromise" is actually stay in desktop?

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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  • Haohmaru

    @figuerres: Were you able to get Multi-Touch working on your TX2?

  • figuerres

    , Haohmaru wrote

    @figuerres: Were you able to get Multi-Touch working on your TX2?

    when i ran the dev build i had some info that let me install the Win 7 drivers and it worked very well.

    with this consumer build i did not find a way to get that working right.  i was able to pinch,swipe but not tap/click.

    but my stylus did work 100% as far as i could tell.

     

  • figuerres

    , bystander wrote

    ......

    Also, as other people have said, installing desktop apps just dumps a boatload of small icons on the start screen. Those icons don't belong there. They are not tiles. Let's recognize this fact and come up with a concept that deals with the clutter.

     .....

    Finally, it is true that the sample Metro apps suck big time. I have no doubt that they will be refined and in the end will look good. But Microsoft should have put more effort into these, rather than bragging that development is so easy that interns wrote them.  Guess what: it shows. And it  hurts the image of your product.

     

     

    the way i see the icons this is one of the places that are really junk  -- windows 95/xp/7 icons do not look right on the metro start screen at all.  problem is how to even try and get new graphics for *HUNDREDS* of old apps to look good on the new screen ??

     

    and yes the preview apps have the look and feel of a rush job.... sending that out en-masse to the public is something i just can not even imagine.... why Microsoft did you do that ?

    It seems like they want a new image but the one they are creating is *WORSE* than the one they had in my view.  disjointed, klugy , ugly mismatched....  in the end we have an OS that is a mix of:

     

    WIndows 3.1,  windows 95,  windows 2000, windows xp, WIndows Vista and WIndows 7 with some Windows Phone on top all smashed into one box and trying to come off as one look but failing badly.

    I am not a designer but I can see many many issues with this mash up they have created.

     

    they should have done two seperate SKU's / versions:

    WIndows 8

    WIndows Metro

    let each one focus on it's own area.

     

    WIndows 8, the upgrade for the desktop user.

    Windows Metro, the new OS for new Tablet based Devices.

    why did they not do this ?  they still could share most of the same code inside the builds ....

    but given users a good and clear choice in what OS to buy based on what the user wants to do.

  • AndyC

    , figuerres wrote

    why did they not do this ?  they still could share most of the same code inside the builds ....

    Because it would fail. Epically.

  • magicalclick

    , figuerres wrote

    *snip*

     

    WIndows 3.1,  windows 95,  windows 2000, windows xp, WIndows Vista and WIndows 7 with some Windows Phone on top all smashed into one box and trying to come off as one look but failing badly.

    Please do not insult WP7 because its Movie/Music/Mail/IE all works properly and better than Win8 CP.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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  • Bass

    I don't get what the big deal is. Oh no, people might use a slightly older (but fairly well designed) OS that Microsoft still makes a ton of licensing fees from instead of the newest thing. This is suppose to be a catastrophe?

    Microsoft is really not risking all that much even if Windows 8 will be a failure. Because that just means Windows 7 will be a success. And guess who makes Windows 7?

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