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    vesuvius

     

    , BitFlipper wrote

    So, really, we're going with this disaster now...?

    There is a saying that goes "throw the baby out with the bathwater", that's what they are doing.

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    spivonious

    , 01001011 wrote

    @blowdart:

    How is that? Does Microsoft have a TV device now? Or did you blow over $1000 on a Windows Media PC to sit next to your television set instead?

    My HTPC cost me $400 to build four years ago and it does blu-rays and HDTV over cable. Can your Apple TV do either of those? And no, I do not want crappy compressed videos purchased from iTunes.

    Microsoft comes up with cool stuff years before everyone else, but never gets credit for it because they don't have the "cool factor" of Apple or Google. They made one misstep, and that was dismissing the smartphone as a consumer platform.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , spivonious wrote

    *snip*

    Microsoft comes up with cool stuff years before everyone else, but never gets credit for it because they don't have the "cool factor" of Apple or Google. They made one misstep, and that was dismissing the smartphone as a consumer platform.

    They don't have the cool factor in part due to their poor implementation. Look at the years that they "owned" the tablet market but never really invested in a tablet UI. The origami UMPCs were the same deal. Now like rabid dogs they're trying to play catch-up with Apple (going so far at to adopt their arrogance too) and along the way they forgot about the desktop. They need both a tablet IU and desktop UI. I just hope they understand that before W8 ships.

    If we all believed in unicorns and fairies the world would be a better place.
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    figuerres

    , spivonious wrote

    *snip*

    My HTPC cost me $400 to build four years ago and it does blu-rays and HDTV over cable. Can your Apple TV do either of those? And no, I do not want crappy compressed videos purchased from iTunes.

    Microsoft comes up with cool stuff years before everyone else, but never gets credit for it because they don't have the "cool factor" of Apple or Google. They made one misstep, and that was dismissing the smartphone as a consumer platform.

    sorry but in my play book MS has made a *LOT* of "missteps" and I am not even going too far back...

    like for example in the recent past:

    KIN

    WIndows Phone 8 was at least a year late (if they had not done Kin i think it would have came out sooner)

    Windows xp / Vista / 7  :  while Win 7 is very good there are many problems with things like the control panel icons that do not match and are carry overs from prior windows versions.

    the handling for the whole SIlverlight / HTML 5 thing.

    Build -- the pre build vacum mess.

    Windows xp / Tablet

     

    that's the short list that in can name right now.... there are more things but i can't get all the details right now.

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    01001011

    @figuerres:

    http://www.geek.com/articles/apple/windows-phone-7-folks-held-bizarre-funeral-service-for-iphone-and-blackberry-did-a-thriller-dance-20100913/

    Microsoft doesn't want to play in the tech community, they want to hold funerals for competitors when they are behind. That's the core problem.

    Many people outside of the Norcal tech start-up industry don't realize this but Microsoft funds a lot of events and start-ups to the tune of over 100 million dollars worth. Those start-ups and event holders take Microsoft's money. Then as soon as Microsoft isn't looking they turn around and laugh their asses off at Microsoft and tell people how useless their tech is.

    Microsoft is being played for the fool of tech at this point and time.

     

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    Ray7

    , spivonious wrote

    *snip*

    My HTPC cost me $400 to build four years ago and it does blu-rays and HDTV over cable. Can your Apple TV do either of those? And no, I do not want crappy compressed videos purchased from iTunes.

    Yup, not much to add to that really.

    When will Apple understand that the average consumer would much prefer to build their own computer rig than buy one and enjoy it straight away? No wonder their share price is in the toilet.

     

     

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    Ray7

    Did someone make them do that?

    Microsoft doesn't want to play in the tech community, they want to hold funerals for competitors when they are behind. That's the core problem.

    Many people outside of the Norcal tech start-up industry don't realize this but Microsoft funds a lot of events and start-ups to the tune of over 100 million dollars worth. Those start-ups and event holders take Microsoft's money. Then as soon as Microsoft isn't looking they turn around and laugh their asses off at Microsoft and tell people how useless their tech is.

    Microsoft is being played for the fool of tech at this point and time.

    Do you have any video of someone taking Microsoft's money and then laughing his * off as soon Microsoft's back is turned?

    Thought not.

     

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    Ray7

    @figuerres:Dumping drive pooling from WHS. When the home server packed up, WHS was out of the running for the replacement. Picked up a rather nice MyBook. Much easier to set up and administer, does more out of the box, and plays a lot nicer with Macs.

    Just hope it lasts ... :-/

     

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    ScanIAm

    , Ray7 wrote

    *snip*

    Yup, not much to add to that really.

    When will Apple understand that the average consumer would much prefer to build their own computer rig than buy one and enjoy it straight away? No wonder their share price is in the toilet.

     

    Let's not be disingenuous, here.  The average consumer can't afford an apple TV and would struggle for a $400 nicety like a DVR.  Further, by your logic, people would probably do better to just buy xfinity or some similar service and get all of their tv services built into their content provider.

    What does Apple TV offer other than smoke & mirrors?

    Well, smoke, mirrors, and the priviledge of having a TV that'll be useless in 5 years.

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    Ray7

    , ScanIAm wrote

    *snip*

    Let's not be disingenuous, here.

    Okey dokey.

     

    The average consumer can't afford an apple TV

    It's about $99 isn't it? If they can afford an iPad, which they clearly can, then I don't think an AppleTV box will break them. It's actually priced nicely for a gadget curiosity (though I have to confess that I wasn't that curious until it got HiDef)

    and would struggle for a $400 nicety like a DVR.  Further, by your logic, people would probably do better to just buy xfinity or some similar service and get all of their tv services built into their content provider.

    It's possible that you don't understand the attraction for a consumer. Apple will look at the TV industry (like they looked at the Music Industry, the phone manufucturerers, the tablet makers) and see what it is that people don't like. Then they will build a strategy to fix it.

    As geeks, you and I want everything under the telly and stored on a massive hard disk, because that's what we're used to using at work. About a terabyte or two should do the trick ... for now.

    What the average consumer wants is to watch the programmes they want exactly when they want to watch them, without being charged for content they never look at. I think that's the angle that Apple's playing here. 

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    01001011

    @ScanIAm:

    The average consumer can't afford an apple TV and would struggle for a $400 nicety like a DVR.

    People in the deepest darkest ghettos of LA can afford an Apple TV on their food stamp money.

    In case you haven't noticed the world, led by the USA just forked over $500,000,000 to Apple Inc THIS MORNING ALONE on a million iPad units.

    I agree that in Eastern Europe where liquidity is dead in places like Serbia, it could be true. But those people also don't have a TV to begin with or running water for that matter.

    In a country like the USA, not every one is super smart with their money and super optimizes the way money is circulated. It ends up in the hands of common people(even those in ghettos) and they spend it. That's part of why America is so awesome compared to other places.

    I would agree that in the USA the undocumented Mexican people selling fruit on the side of the freeway exits, and waiting outside home depot would not buy an AppleTV even if they had the money.

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    magicalclick

    , ScanIAm wrote

    *snip*

    Well, smoke, mirrors, and the priviledge of having a TV that'll be useless in 5 years.

    You are referring to iPhone right? iPhone's life span is so much shorter than a good old reliable cell phone.

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    spivonious

    , magicalclick wrote

    *snip*

    You are referring to iPhone right? iPhone's life span is so much shorter than a good old reliable cell phone.

    But people treat smartphones like car leases. I hear all the time "oh, my contract is up next month. I'm upgrading to a new phone." Developing a phone that lasts more than two years is a waste of the company's resources.

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    magicalclick

    @spivonious:

    I disagree, my mom and dad want a reliable cellphone, not a gimmik. Although it is almost impossible to find a decent reliable cellphone now.

    It is all about perception. All you need, is simple justification, regardless how silly it is. Well, it is not silly. Smart TV is just a PC replacement. Upgrading PC every 2 years is typical, and that will just mean this PC replacement will need upgrade as frequently.

    I advocate Smart TV because it is really the time, the technology is good and cheap enough. You may not believe me. So, let's wait and see.

    I really hope MS Embeded Division would focus more attentions on Embeded TV Market. Well, I doubt they will, and I don't blame them. Very few people would agree with me on this subject, except Apple fanboys because they are going to have it.

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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    Ray7

    , magicalclick wrote

    @spivonious:

    I disagree, my mom and dad want a reliable cellphone, not a gimmik. Although it is almost impossible to find a decent reliable cellphone now.

    That's because the industry can't afford to service folk who only change their phone once every ten years. What your mom and dad want won't make them money, so I think it's safe to say those days are long gone.

     

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    contextfree`

    Eh, eventually the smartphone business will mature and slow down like every other market/business.

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    spivonious

    Getting back to Win8, my boot times are the same as they were with Win7. Do you need an SSD and UEFI to get an improvement?

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    magicalclick

    @Ray7:.

    cannot or unwilling to ?

    Leaving WM on 5/2018 if no apps, no dedicated billboards where I drive, no Store name.
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