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Windows Mobile 7 Launch - October 11th NYC

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    Sabot
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    SteveRichter

    I don't understand why a version of windows mobile does not run on every phone.

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    Sabot

    Now there's a thought!

    However, it's far beyond the capabilies of Microsoft alone to make that happen as you would be asking phone manufacturers to give away commercial advantages ... and this is before they can even trust each other. With the number of lawsuits between them at the moment, this is unlikely to happen anytime soon.

    But make a witty YouTube Video about it, get 5 million hits like lost luggage and you can apparent get large companies to do anything!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11450923

     

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    Dovella

    Im ready! Big Smile

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    Harlequin

    Not going to get psyched up until I see when they will actually be available. Don't want to celebrate then find out I have to wait 8 months for some carrier to come out with one.

     

    But the prototype/dev ones we have here are nice. Just can't get them connected to the computer to build to it.

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    USArcher

    Looking forward to the launch but its unfortunate it won't be coming to Sprint this year.  My phone is on its last legs and I was hoping to get a WP7 device.

    After the WP7 launch hopefully we'll finally hear from Microsoft on what they are doing around slates.  From the outside it seems as though Microsoft is simply waiting on OEM partners.  That doesn't seem very wise as so many are considering Android.  Ballmer said pubicly that Windows was being optimized but we have heard zip zero regarding what this optimization means...a new Windows sku with optimized ui?  app store?

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    Dr Herbie

    @USArcher: I'm expecting a 'Windows Phone 7 for Tablet' SKU to appear once the publicity for WP7 starts to dry up; Microsoft does iPad.

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    sysrpl

    Just looking at the UI, these are a few of the things wrong with Windows Phone 7:

     

    Windows Phone 7 UI

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    Dr Herbie

    @sysrpl: While I agree about the wasted space, your point about space for personalisation is moot because you can rearrange the tiles however you want (adding and removing what you wish).

    Some of the tiles animate (the XBox Live one has your avatar popping it's head in and out of the tile at times), and the whole point of the tiles is that the content is dynamic - more information bias than eye-candy bias.  But I do agree that some of the icons are a bit rubbish.

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    PaoloM

    @sysrpl: i'm not saying you should have a device to properly address your points, but you could at least watch one of the countless videos on youtube to understand why this UI trumps the iOS one in every measurable way.

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    CKurt

    @sysrpl: The top space will duck away when there are no notification. So it is not lost. It is also clearly added to your picture and not orginalal part of the screenshot.

    Second, Dr Herbie has an excellent point about personalization.

    Third, Monochrome is more beautifull than color for icons most of the time.

    Fourth, The wasted space to the right I'll give you an inch. It seems weird, and it does decentralize the content. However, I've heard people say central allign UI is bad. Also, for most right handed people that is the place my thumb would rest and eter the screen to touch something. Would not know what to do with the space otherwise. Make the tiles Bigger?

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    dentaku

    ,Sabot wrote

    Now there's a thought!

    However, it's far beyond the capabilies of Microsoft alone to make that happen as you would be asking phone manufacturers to give away commercial advantages ... and this is before they can even trust each other. With the number of lawsuits between them at the moment, this is unlikely to happen anytime soon.

    But make a witty YouTube Video about it, get 5 million hits like lost luggage and you can apparent get large companies to do anything!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11450923

     

    @Sabot: Ha, they're still talking about Dave Carol's video and all the way in the UK now. I met Dave a few years ago at Radio Shack and we spoke for quite a while.

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    Bas

    How are you going to get to the application list if they don't leave that space on the right for your finger to land on?

    This is like saying a button is wasted space that could be filled up with more buttons. Weird.

    Anyway, looks like I still have eight months or so before looking into a WP7 device. Apparently they're planning to initially release it without the possibility to buy apps over here, which is the dumbest idea I've ever heard.

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    Bas

    Also:

    Is this all the space Microsoft left for personalization?

    No.

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    dentaku

    ,CKurt wrote
    Fourth, The wasted space to the right I'll give you an inch. It seems weird, and it does decentralize the content. However, I've heard people say central allign UI is bad. Also, for most right handed people that is the place my thumb would rest and eter the screen to touch something. Would not know what to do with the space otherwise. Make the tiles Bigger?

    Many people have trouble navigating any type of interface. Old people and laptop trackpads often end up not working very well, for example. Adding that blank space on the right is good because it's the place you can touch to swipe across the screen without accidentally tapping on an icon. If it stops accidental clicks it's probably a good thing.

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    CKurt

    @dentaku: +1

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    sysrpl

    In reply to all:

    Monochromatic tiles and icons are not attractive at all. They are big space sinks that says "Hey, we didn't have time to hire a graphic design artist". We now have portables with vivid high resolution displays. The monochromatic look belongs to the Palm III back in 1998.

    And no matter how you rationalize it, wasted space is just that ... wasted. Counting pixels, with the bar on the right and the area up top, the mertro UI is wasting 25% of the screen.

    Finally, when it comes to icons, a tote bag with the MS Logo will turn off most people. On your personal phone, nothing says "I'm uncool" more than a big MS Logo staring back at you and your friends. If Microsoft was actually serious about this OS they would have hired a few top notch artists and paid them to come up with attractive designs.

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    PaoloM

    @sysrpl:monochromatic titles and icons are very attractive. They are also very difficult to design and require really skilled professional to pull off properly. More than that, they are *usable* (see road signs etc, where immediate recognition is paramount).

    I see no wasted space at all. You may want to look into the use of whitespace in typography and UIs.

    Finally, I am not sure you are very knowledgeable about design trends and best practices, as the direction Microsoft is going in WP7 is *exactly* where the overall design world has been trending for quite a while now (for example, do you still add gumdrop buttons to your website? What about them dropshadows?)

     

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