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Windows Tablet : the sheriff is ready

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    Dovella

     

     

     

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    Harlequin

    *yawn*

    I've had a Windows slate for 5 years, now it has Windows 7 on it. Any NEW "Windows Tablet" news is just marketing fluff to me.

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    W3bbo

    , Harlequin wrote

    *yawn*

    I've had a Windows slate for 5 years, now it has Windows 7 on it. Any NEW "Windows Tablet" news is just marketing fluff to me.

    Your user-case is in the minority though, it isn't appealing to the rest of us.

    Since getting my iPad, I haven't gone a day without fondling it some more. Styluses just don't work, and the Windows GUI (and by extension, legacy Windows programs) also just don't work for this form-factor.

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    wkempf

    @W3bbo: The "fondling" comment is a little creepy. I know what you meant, but you could have chosen your words better Smiley.

    The "styluses just don't work" comment is flatly wrong. The stylus is precisely what you want for specific scenarios. I'll agree that simple touch interfaces cover much more territory and is preferred most of the time, but to ignore the stylus and handwriting recognition I think is just as short sighted. Personally, I'm hoping the new tablets are designed for touch, but continue to support the stylus and handwriting recognition.

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    Bas

    I'm just wondering who the sheriff is.

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    W3bbo

    , wkempf wrote

    @W3bbo: The "fondling" comment is a little creepy. I know what you meant, but you could have chosen your words better Smiley.

    The "styluses just don't work" comment is flatly wrong. The stylus is precisely what you want for specific scenarios. I'll agree that simple touch interfaces cover much more territory and is preferred most of the time, but to ignore the stylus and handwriting recognition I think is just as short sighted. Personally, I'm hoping the new tablets are designed for touch, but continue to support the stylus and handwriting recognition.

    But I really do mean it. I used to use a Microsoft Tablet PC too (Tecra M4, 2006 to 2010) and I found it too fiddly, too inaccurate (especially for handwriting recognition), and too prone to getting lost.

    With my iPad, I can type on the fingerboard much faster than I could do handwriting recognition (and with fewer errors), I can do doodles to a fair degree of precision with my fingers, and the widgets are purpose-designed for the "2-foot experience". Try using a 16px-wide Windows scrollbar with a stylus. Handwriting recognition only works for a small subset of society who have legible handwriting (I can't say my regular TPC use improved my handwriting at all), for the rest of us it's just a waste of time (and as I said, the keyboard is faster and more accurate).

    Styluses are good for professional illustration, but you don't do that on an A5-sized pane of glass.

     

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    The sherrif is Steve Ballmer who is going to handcuff you to something that is akin to WM6 + HTC Sense (or Manilla as it was called back in the day). It's all pretty on top until you drill down into the apps. Then it's clunky old Windows apps. If you're lucky you'll be able to run WP7 and its apps seamlessly on the Windows desktop but alas I don't believe Microsoft will get that right either.

    I do have to agree with wkempf on the need for a stylus. You just can't draw fine detail in documents (i.e. OneNote) without it. It'll be interesting to see where the HTC Flyer goes with it's note taking abilities.

    So now that we have all of the Star Trekie gizmoes what I want to know is how long do we have to wait for the return of the mini-skirt... Smiley

    If we all believed in unicorns and fairies the world would be a better place.
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    Dovella

    @Harlequin:

    i Have Acer Iconia Tab (AMD C50)  I LOVE IT

     

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    Dovella

    @Bas:Sinofsky

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    exoteric

    , wkempf wrote

    @W3bbo: The "fondling" comment is a little creepy. I know what you meant, but you could have chosen your words better Smiley.

    The "styluses just don't work" comment is flatly wrong. The stylus is precisely what you want for specific scenarios. I'll agree that simple touch interfaces cover much more territory and is preferred most of the time, but to ignore the stylus and handwriting recognition I think is just as short sighted. Personally, I'm hoping the new tablets are designed for touch, but continue to support the stylus and handwriting recognition.

    Whole-heartedly agree.

    The most annoying aspect of the iPad is the lack of stylus support for handwritten notes, drawings and annotations (I'd like to be able to hand-annotate web page snapshots with a Stylus and have these snapshots cloud replicated; IE?.)

    Added bonus if the stylus could be pressure-, tilt- and rotation-sensitive.

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    beerinbelgi​um

    @Dovella:

    Microsoft is consistently in denial when it comes to new technologies.

    circa 2000 - "Google is just a house of cards" (we don't need a pagerank algorithm)

    circa 2006 - "smart phones are too expensive and the world will need years to catch up"

    circa 2008 - "netbooks are just too cheesy, no one will buy that"

    circa 2010 - "tablets should cost > $1000 and run an overwhelmingly burdening OS, why bother having them tethered to CDMA and GSM"

    Microsoft always has the millionaire's solution. The problem is that their computer device buying market are not millionaires.

    Their overwhelmingly un-cost effective solutions ultimately fail 100% of the time in the marketplace, then they simply copy whatever worked which is almost always a lighter more cost effective solution to the same exact problem.

    Instead of being forced to create cost effective solutions to problems, after 2-3 years of being beaten over the head with them, they should START OUT with cost effective products and think of getting AHEAD of competitors.

    It's like the executives at MSFT think it's a business deal and they can start out with a high offer and negotiate it down in the marketplace. People don't play that sh1t anymore. They need to get in their time capsule and jet out of 1985 and into 2011.

    - oh wait, I forgot, MS R&D can project video directly into people's retinas like the Borg. I can't wait until hordes of people develop vision problems from that. That will be the end of Microsoft.

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    cbae

    , beerinbelgi​um wrote

    @Dovella:

    circa 2006 - "smart phones are too expensive and the world will need years to catch up"

    That statement is unequivocally true today as it was 5 years ago, and it will be so 10 years thence. There are over a billion mobile phones in use right now, and a majority of them are not smart phones.

    circa 2008 - "netbooks are just too cheesy, no one will buy that"

    They ARE cheesy, but some people do buy cheesy. The iPad is proof of that.

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    ScanIAm

    , beerinbelgi​um wrote

    Microsoft is consistently in denial when it comes to new technologies.

    circa 2000 - "Google is just a house of cards" (we don't need a pagerank algorithm)

    Over the past 12 months, Google has been giving less and less relevant results and

    circa 2010 - "tablets should cost > $1000 and run an overwhelmingly burdening OS, why bother having them tethered to CDMS and GSM"

    Between AAPL and MSFT, only AAPL sets the price and tetheredness of the hardware so...um...yeah.

    Microsoft always has the millionaire's solution. The problem is that their computer device buying market are not millionaires.

    You sound poor.

    Their overwhelmingly un-cost effective solutions ultimately fail 100% of the time in the marketplace, then they simply copy whatever worked which is almost always a lighter more cost effective solution to the same exact problem.

    Instead of being forced to create cost effective solutions to problems, after 2-3 years of being beaten over the head with them, they should START OUT with cost effective products and think of getting AHEAD of competitors.

    It's like the executives at MSFT think it's a business deal and they can start out with a high offer and negotiate it down in the marketplace. People don't play that sh1t anymore. They need to get in their time capsule and jet out of 1985 and into 2011.

    MSFT is a large corporation and large corps always lag their smaller competitors.  If you'd brush the crumbs out of your neck-beard and get a job, you'd find that out.

    - oh wait, I forgot, MS R&D can project video directly into people's retinas like the Borg. I can't wait until hordes of people develop vision problems from that. That will be the end of Microsoft.

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    beerinbelgi​um

    @ScanIAm:

    Between AAPL and MSFT, only AAPL sets the price and tetheredness of the hardware so...um...yeah.

    http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=apad

    These "poor" people can buy an Android driven tablet computer right now for under a hundred bucks with free shipping anywhere in the world.

    These worldwide consumers will believe that Android is the norm and when they become richer, they will see a foreign operating system such as Microsoft's as a computing abomination and so will their kids and their kids' kids.

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    ScanIAm

    , beerinbelgi​um wrote

    @ScanIAm:

    "Between AAPL and MSFT, only AAPL sets the price and tetheredness of the hardware so...um...yeah."

    http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=apad

    These "poor" people can buy an Android driven tablet computer right now for under a hundred bucks with free shipping anywhere in the world.

    At 7", I'm not even slightly aroused.

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    rhm

    I hope Microsoft aren't going down the track of thinking that running on x86 is the only source of their lack of success on tablets.

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    Bass

    I'm not sure if I want Microsoft to be successful anyway. Do we really need Microsoft to dominate every possible software OS category? They already have a near monopoly on desktops.

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    ScanIAm

    @Bass:Exactly.  Different companies in the tech market do different things. 

    A few recent threads made some hay about IBM and/or AAPL obtaining a larger market capitalization.  I don't subscribe to the idea that it really matters, but the one thing that it seems to point to is that businesses are spending less at MSFT than consumers are spending at AAPL.  AAPL is mostly a consumer electronics company, MSFT is mostly a business apps company, and IBM is mostly a .... well, I have no idea what IBM does any more, but it doesn't seem to compete directly with AAPL and MSFT.

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