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    DCMonkey
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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    At least there's some hope for WPF & Silverlight. Re: HTML5 and Javascript I guess Microsoft didn't learn from the wild success that desktop gadgets are today...

    Windows 8 essentially supports two kinds of applications. One is the classic
    Windows application, which runs in a desktop very similar to the Windows 7
    desktop.

    The other type of application, which has to be written in HTML5 and
    Javascript, looks more like a mobile application, filling the full screen.
    Internet Explorer 10, which is part of Windows 8, has already been configured to
    run in this mode, as have several widget-like apps for checking stock prices and
    weather.

    If we all believed in unicorns and fairies the world would be a better place.
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    cbae

    , DeathBy​VisualStudio wrote

    *snip*

    At least there's some hope for WPF & Silverlight. Re: HTML5 and Javascript I guess Microsoft didn't learn from the wild success that desktop gadgets are today...

    Windows 8 essentially supports two kinds of applications. One is the classic
    Windows application, which runs in a desktop very similar to the Windows 7
    desktop.

    The other type of application, which has to be written in HTML5 and
    Javascript, looks more like a mobile application, filling the full screen.
    Internet Explorer 10, which is part of Windows 8, has already been configured to
    run in this mode, as have several widget-like apps for checking stock prices and
    weather.

    Gadgets serve little purpose when you have a multi-windowed and/or multi-tabbed environment like on a desktop operating system. When you go to a more smartphone-like interface in which you don't have multiple windows and tabs waste too much screen real estate, gadgets may prove more useful.

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    Cream​Filling512
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    DCMonkey

    Well, this thing seems to be a bit more tightly integrated into the UI than I expected. IT certainly looks nice.

    I wonder, are WPF and Silverlight (and maybe even Win32) soon to be dead ends for new desktop app development? Are we expected to write future LOB or productivity apps with this new HTML5/JS framework? Will WPF/Win32 apps that look like the new "immersive" apps be relegated to a desktop ghetto or will they be able to integrate with the experience? Or, if as I suspect, many people want to disable/ignore the immersive experience in favor of the traditional desktop (on non-touch desktop PCs), will we still be able to run any of these immersive apps in multiple overlapping windows along side our old-school apps?

     

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    JoshRoss

    @CreamFilling512: That looks surprisingly legit, I was expecting to see shaky webcam images narrated in Russian.

    -Josh

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    W3bbo

    , DCMonkey wrote

    *snip*

     

    Squee!!

    I saw the video where the explorer desktop appears to move to the side as one of these newfangled applications expands.

    So does this mean that the window manager in Windows is actually capable of those cool "nothing is as it seems" transition effects that we see with OS X? And if so, how come Microsoft never actually used it until this point?

    Anyway, for the most part I like what I see, but without any further technical details I reserve my right to be skeptical.

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    Cream​Filling512

    @W3bbo:

    It's been capable of that stuff since Vista when they started compositing everything on 3D surfaces, and put out Flip3D and all that.

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    felix9

    @Charles:  until tomorrow ??? where ?

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    @CreamFilling512:

    Just watched the video. It looks great.

    Time to roll out the dumpster and start throwing out all of my WPF work... Thanks Microsoft. Looks like Java may be my future.

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    W3bbo

    , DeathBy​VisualStudio wrote

    @CreamFilling512:

    Just watched the video. It looks great.

    How does any of this invalidate WPF applications? Remember that as these new style applications are HTML it means they could host WPF instances.

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    Ian2

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    Ian2

    Looks sweet on the video:

    So MS have put a marker down clearly promoting the "retro tools" (Javascrpt/HTML5 etc) for Windows 8 app development - with WPF/Silverlight now being firmly positioned as second class citizens?  Interesting (but from a personal standpoint dissapointing, having spent the last 2 years in the land of Silverlight).

    Ultimately I guess it means that these new and existing 'retro app developers' will be able to port their apps to different platforms which will no doubt make their lives easier.

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    DeathBy​VisualStudio

    , W3bbo wrote

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    How does any of this invalidate WPF applications? Remember that as these new style applications are HTML it means they could host WPF instances.

    Well for one of my customers the jump from VB6 to state-of-the-art WPF (you've suffered long enough on an unsupported platform my dear customer) that they're hundreds of thousands of dollars into and still isn't finished is now last year's tech. Sure it will do the job and run on Windows 8 but they're going to feel a little cheated spending all of that money on WPF with everything shifting to HTML5 and Javascript. And you know that "legacy" apps will never feel as integrated as native Winodws 8 apps in the new shell. Let's not forget that you can still run VB6 apps on Windows 7 today and they look er...great!

    Also I feel bad for all of the WP7 owners out there now knowing what they have in their hands was just another Kin or Zune. Thank you for joining yet another Microsoft experiment.

    Putting Windows 8 on the phone? Didn't they try that once already and ended up with WinCE because it wasn't performant?

    How about them devs that wrote all of those Silverlight apps for WP7? Nice Microsoft...real nice...

    It's hard to believe I was ever a Microsoft zealot. What a waste.

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    Dovella

    And for gaming ?   No Xna ?  i think MS have a final secrets with WP7 App. (and gaming) compatibility

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    Bas

    Good god that All Things D woman is annoying. "Hey, why didn't you just, you know, redesign the entire Office suite?"

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    Dovella
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    Bas

    As much as I love the new interface, that Photo Choosr or whatever it was called thing was what really got me to sit up and pay attention.

    Ever since using Windows Live Photo Gallery (and that Photo Gallery thing that came with Vista before it), I get annoyed when I have to use an open file dialog or something in some application where I need to open a photo that's on my system somewhere. I have to remember where it is, what the file is called, etc. You can search, but it's not ideal.

    I always wished there was a way to just replace the Open File dialog in, say, Paint.NET, with WLPG, so that I could just use the WLPG UI to find the image file I wish to open. And now it looks like that is actually becoming a feature. Can't wait to see what happens there.

    They need to come up with a good story for that HTML5/Javascript nonsense, though, because that sounds really damned annoying.

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