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Your Sky belongs to us, says UK and EU.

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  • magicalclick

    Don't be a fool, don't use the word sky in your product.

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  • kettch

    @magicalclick:

    Here's a link for context.

  • Kental2

    I'm not too familiar with copyright/trademark law, is that common?  If I copyright the name Doodle or something, does that mean it can't appear anywhere in anyone else's brand?  I couldn't have Doodle Phone or Geo Doodle or anything like that? Tongue Out  I know that's a silly example, but I'd never heard of this before.  That's crazy to me.

  • magicalclick

    Luckily Skywalker and SkyNet comes before BSkyB.

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  • ScanIAm

    Oh, FFS.

    That is probably the dumbest thing I've read all month.

    Edit: not what kettch or magicalclick said,  I mean the content and implications of the link.

  • wkempf

    As Trademark cases go, this one seems less "you've got to be kidding me" and more "that's what Trademarks are intended for"... though it's always bugged me you could trademark a common word. However, a coworker just pointed out that BSkyB has sued before... over the name Skype (http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100811/03350610582.shtml). That one is much more "you've got to be kidding me" and may show a pattern for this company.

  • PopeDai

    I see the point, especially when in the Xbox dashboard you see Sky's player positioned next to SkyDrive - considering that Sky's broadband service and other inroads into tech platforms are very popular in the UK I can see that this would cause confusion amongst the less-informed consumer - it's really just unfortunate, and BSkyB got there first.

    I suppose a solution is to ensure that it's always marketed as "Microsoft SkyDrive" - but that wouldn't fly - they'd need to change the name I guess (not unprecedented, "Microsoft Accounts" have had so many names in the past 15 years), either that or pay BSkyB $lots, but BSB is a fairly rich company, they'd want billions, which we just won't give them.

    I expect we'll see SkyDrive renamed to CloudDrive or Microsoft Drive , but only in Europe.

  • ScanIAm

    I'm sorry, but if a word can be found in the vocabulary of a 3 year old, it shouldn't be trademarkable.

    BSkyB can trademark "BSkyB" if they wish, but words like 'Sky', 'Tree', and, yes, 'Window' should be in the public domain for OBVIOUS reasons.

  • Ian2

    "Metro-Drive"  ?

     

    Actually. taking this to it's logical conclusion this could be the answer to the current deficit.  (Stay with me - The Queen OWNs the English Language,  right? But she doesn't have to be difficult, say 0.001p per word to anyone?)  Big Smile

  • magicalclick

    , ScanIAm wrote

    I'm sorry, but if a word can be found in the vocabulary of a 3 year old, it shouldn't be trademarkable.

    BSkyB can trademark "BSkyB" if they wish, but words like 'Sky', 'Tree', and, yes, 'Window' should be in the public domain for OBVIOUS reasons.

    fortunately Window isn't trade marked. Only its subset, Windows is trade marked. Sky on the other hand is only a subset of SK and KY, technically under confusion with trade mark of KY Jelly.

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  • felix9

    Windows Live Drive ? Smiley

  • Ian2

    Sky Fall?

  • Blue Ink

    I would like "Azure Drive", or just plain "Azure", as that's a cloud service anyway (they could even keep the icon). The obvious problem is that nobody out of the IT industry will recognize that brand.

    I just hope it doesn't become "Xbox drive"...

  • magicalclick

    , felix9 wrote

    Windows Live Drive ? Smiley

    oh dude, you just have to go there. I vote for SkaiDrive. Or iSkyDrive. Or mSkyDrive, or mySkyDrive or miSkyDrive @Ian2:. Apparently Sky Fall is the next target, it even has the Space in between.

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  • Sven Groot

    Considering the name change in Windows 8.1 of "My Computer" to "This PC", I vote they name it "That Drive".

  • PopeDai

    , ScanIAm wrote

    I'm sorry, but if a word can be found in the vocabulary of a 3 year old, it shouldn't be trademarkable

    Methinks you misunderstand the concept of trademarks.

    Did you know the colour purple is trademarked by Cadbury's? That's why you don't see any other chocolate-wrapped-in-purple in the UK (with the exception of Milka, who gets away with it because they've owned by Kraft, who now owns Cadbury's) - Coca-Cola, however, did not trademark the colour Red for use with cola-flavoured soft-drinks, hence why Tesco's cola happens to be red too.

    In this case, Sky trademarked the "Sky" for use with "technology things" in their market (i.e. the UK) - I think it is a bit broad in this case, and this case would not work for them if they were only a satellite TV provider, but they expanded into Internet services almost a decade ago and they've grown since, so this is not unexpected.

  • Ion Todirel

    , magicalclick wrote

    Don't be a fool, don't use the word sky in your product.

    Smiley

  • ScanIAm

    , PopeDai wrote

    *snip*

    Methinks you misunderstand the concept of trademarks.

    Did you know the colour purple is trademarked by Cadbury's? That's why you don't see any other chocolate-wrapped-in-purple in the UK (with the exception of Milka, who gets away with it because they've owned by Kraft, who now owns Cadbury's) - Coca-Cola, however, did not trademark the colour Red for use with cola-flavoured soft-drinks, hence why Tesco's cola happens to be red too.

    In this case, Sky trademarked the "Sky" for use with "technology things" in their market (i.e. the UK) - I think it is a bit broad in this case, and this case would not work for them if they were only a satellite TV provider, but they expanded into Internet services almost a decade ago and they've grown since, so this is not unexpected.

    I stand by what I said.  And the fact that a color can be trademarked is even more ridiculous.

    I understand that legally it's possible, but it _shouldn't be_.

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